Don't the T's have a massive recall on the engine's connecting rods? One of my friend's is getting rid of his '05 4Runner because he noticed his transmission acting funny and going for F150 Screw!

 

what do you mean by "T's"

i don't know if your talking about the "Tundra" or the "Triton"

 

Tundra... :o

The Triton v8 engine is a fine engine in my eyes... both of them; the 4.6l and the 5.4l.

The Essex is a tank...

 

ok then to answer your first question, no the Tundra does not have a recall out cause it forever close the book on the Tundra, its sales are bad, it has a pretty weak frame, and now the camshafts are breaking, to recall something like that would cost a lot of money and Toyota does not want to step to the plate and recall something on a new vehicle like Ford did with its SD flamethrower which happened in only 3 SDs

 

Hmm... Interesting. Still rather invest my money in a Ford with a Triton just to be on the safe side. Everyone I know has blown off Toyota because of the engine problem... some rumors that have gone on around here (in my area) have been:
1. Connecting rods
2. Camshafts breaking
3. Cracked frames

That's why one of my friends who owns a '05 4Runner wants to ditch it for a F150 Screw with the 5.4l because he noticed that the tranny doesn't shift right. Only has 40k on it mostly light highway use. I've driven it, and as you know, I hate automatics, but this one was funky. I believe it's got a 5 speed automatic, and I know he has the v6. It never uses 1st, but it does skip through 2nd, uses 3rd and 4th a lot... rarely 5th and WASTES gas keeping the rpms above 2k. I suppose it gives you that "instant" power feeling. You can feel it shifting and it just doesn't seem right. Then again, any automatic doesn't shift right because I'm not shifting it.

I dunno... most auto vehicles today just stink.

 

The American auto market is a tough market. Everyone wants instant power feeling as Manual150 mentionned. But skipping as in the case for T SUV is not good for the transmission. IT could be a tranny that is not keeping up with the engine or some buggy software.

 

i have an auto and there are plenty of times where i want to change my gears manually, when i look at performance i look at manual, only tiptronic is getting good, my moms BMW has a tiptronic auto that i love driving, you drop those gears and that power goes right to those tires

 

I think T took care of ppl who have problems with their engine. But what do you expect T doesn't have the savvy to build trucks designed for the American market. They wanted to sell 100000 trucks a year. It takes time to get the learning curve up to speed, to get that many trucks out the door with a good QC. But if you give them enough time they will take over the Market If our domestic truck makers do not improve the quality of the trucks. Consumers report (I don't like them, but they influence consumers purchase decision) rated the reliability of the F150 4X4 below average. Only the 2W got the average reliability rating.

 

Well, it is out of warranty. Toyota doesn't want to mess with it without some $$. Neither does my friend. He never really fell in love with it... neither did I. He was happy for the first like month... then it seemed like any other suv out there. He even wants a stick shift truck... but he can't get it in a Screw... plus he has kids, hence the suv. But I am happy that he is looking for a nice F150.


Well, MrSquirrel... BMW, Audi(VW), Mercedes, and the exotics only have that kind of performance. If Ford made a truck with tiptronic like in your mom's BMW... then that is a whole 'nother story. I'd be on it like bees on honey... because then it wouldn't matter.

 

Excuse my ignorance, but this Navistar suit, isn't this related to their diesel engines? Not to knock those who can't wait for this 150 diesel, but I have no interest in a diesel. I'd like a new gas engine please. Yet if Ford has another underpowered engine that is as insanely noisy as the one they have now...

Power and some improvement in fuel economy are what I want more than anything else. And of course for them to get back to a QUIET truck like their 97-03 model. Tired of this engine whine and all the rattles and squeeks. Had my 97 for 7 years without one sound.

 

I think Toyota's got a great QC... just their engineering practices are messed up to mess up in such a vital part of the engine. I wouldn't blame the QC people.

As far as Consumers Report and the rest of them... they focus more on the Foreign vehicles. I don't believe a word they say about ANY American vehicle. Don't care if it's good, bad or indifferent. They just want you to believe otherwise that Domestic belongs in a recycling joint.


Yes, it is about the diesel engines. I'm not knocking the gas engine... I would be happy to see BOTH go in the F150.

Well, Ford cut throated themselves when they designed the new F150 frame. Adding all of that extra metal... but look, it's a safer truck. Now it weights 800 lbs more, and when you add a model like the Supercrew, that's one heavy truck. Of course the thing is going to be slow with the outdated 5.4l V8. They need something BIGGER pushing it. But I wouldn't expect better gas mileage though.

 

Yes, but the OP that I was addressing stated that he still didn't quite believe a diesel may be in the works either.

Now that this thread has been sufficiently derailed with diesel and "T" talk, shall we get



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Navistar is suing cause they believe Ford is using their engine designs to build the 4.4L which i do not believe is true cause they are basing it on the Lion V6 diesel out of Britain

Back on topic:
i do believe that Ford is making a new gasser but i have some doubt that it will be an option right when the new model comes out

 

May happen, although my money is against it. I guess they did it back in 96 when the 97 came out. But that was diffrent marketplace and we were so hungry for a "new" truck the 4.6 seemed ok at the time. Too competitive right now. And we're too far behind, to start sharking anyone. If they do , its lights out for Ford. By far teh majority fo teh PR you receive with any new product offerign is when it first debuts. So to have all the PR indicate that the "main" engine is severly underpowered would be a big mistake.

 

Yeah, look at the sales stats every time a model refresh occurs. Sales always go way up for a new redesign. But if Ford messes up with the engine choices, they could be in a bad spot. Not that they still wouldn't sell a bunch, but not near the numbers they have had in the past now that everyone is getting tired of being force fed the stuff that American auto makers think consumers want, compared to the choices that the foreign automakers offer for their vehicles. Why are we always last to get heated seats, NAV systems, all the cool options that other automakers have for years on their vehicles as options. I'd like to start seeing those options on American vehicles at the same time or before the foreign automakers. At least keep up with them, and stop playing catch up. I'm sure Ford understands that their engines are the biggest complaint consumers have about their truck. Whether they listen, or just feed us what they think we should have, who knows...