I don't see how the programmer could void the entire bumper to bumper warrenty....I would be interested to see how a programmer caused my emblems to peel. LOL.

I would believe if you took it in for a tranny or engine issue with a programmer installed that they may speak up and say something. I will probaly pull mine in the morning before going to get this emblem situation taken care of.

 

Are you saying that you are goingto run the stock tune only, with the Edge installed?

 

I broke down, bought an edge. Only played with level one custom settings.

Next time I go out I'm changing to level 2.

Alright, I saw good points for shift firmness, etc. Has anyone played with WOT Fueling or the other nifty settings?

I want to play around, but I'm afriad I may harm the truck if im not sure of what I'm doing.

 

That's what I take from it.

arrabil, you probably would've been better off saving a few bucks with a Scanguage.

 

Saw the postings by Ford. There is some kind of minute clause that allows the entire b2b warranty be voided. There had to be 6 people who joined in this conversation at the dealer today. All of us almost when we saw all the voided claims and warranties due to programming beyond the dealer.

 

I disagree with you. Ford left a lot on the table because most people like to sluchy smooth shifts and they like smoothness as opposed to pep. The intentionally detuned it leaving the aftermarket tuners lots of safe room for improvements. One example, it's a known fact that firm shifts allow trannys to last longer, yet they build the slippage into it from the factory because that is what the masses want.

I plan on keeping my truck for a LONG time. If I had any feeling whatsoever that the tune I am running was harming it, I would not do it. I expect to get 300,000 out of it. I had thoughts of buying a 2009 until I saw them and decided to just keep this one. I love this truck, and I love the tune from PHP that makes it so fun to drive.

 

If that is the case, all you can do is use the monitor. You will not be able to change anything, not even the tire size. You must be on Level 1, 2 or 3 to change anything in the PCM.

 

I guess it depends on the dealer.

Simple rule of thumb; put truck back to stock and remove Edge before getting there.

 

Exactly what I thought. Until the tech showed us how the computer actually records changes and access to the system. Sort of like the black box recorders. He also said they could tell because even though you remove any settings and revert back to "default", the programmer actually has to leave some sort of marker to reboot at that certain sector. This is true if you have a computer and everytime you reboot, it always goes back to the same place, kinda like cookies he said. Then he showed us his OWN Diablo and said that it also leaves a marker. If Ford sees the changes, the warranty will be voided, no ifs, no buts. they even had a book with case-law in it based on the people who tried to sue Ford. Ford won each time. Scary huh? This dealer is in NJ.

 

I suppose if a dealer is specifically looking for it, they could find it. I'm not concerned.
I've yet to read about anyone having their PCM searched for other access, and having their warranty made void because of it.

I have a good dealership I deal with. I would even be comfortable enough to ask about this. I'll be taking the Focus there tomorrow. If I remember, I'll ask the service manager.

 

Please do. I hope these guys were the only ones because I was going to order and Edge next week.

 

you need to find a different dealer...unless they can prove that the modification caused the problem they cant void the entire warranty...the tuner has no influence on brakes, ball joints, hvac system, etc

 

Yes, they can, and YES they did.

 

I am not getting into a pissing match here. Just telling you what I saw and read. And as a retired PO I hope I can still understand legal jargon. Look into case law concerning this issue, see what you find.

 

Ha! Thats an easy one. The programmer increased your 0-60 times and hence put more strain on the emblem glue which it wasn't designed to take.

Is a scanguage cheaper than $200?

I'm going to run Transmission Only. That allows me to change the other parameters, right?

But this is the only example I can think of and is why I'm interested in correcting only this. What other known things have been given a mechanically poor solution because the public won't accept the alternative?

Bluejay, the proof is in the pudding. When Ford advertises 21MPG in the '09 F150 what is different about it from the other models? 3.05 gears is what. If they could achieve 21MPG without neutering it, why would they choose anything else? The MPG game is the current hot-ticket item in full-size trucks. And yet none of the manufacturers tune the crap out of their motors to get a leg up? Doesn't make sense unless they are already tuned as well as possible under the given requirements.

And again, Ford's tune is for 83 Octane. You are completely right that there is a lot of wiggle room when you re-tune for 87 or 91 Octane. But then when you take a trip to the Rockies you either need to put it back to stock or even worse, make the knock sensors work overtime. Ford cannot do something like that and I don't want that hassle.

Finally, if Ford wanted to make anything easy on the aftermarket, they wouldn't be voiding people's warranties. Instead they would be licensing "official" tuners and making money off them.

And the principle of no free lunch isn't just a saying. Its a well known that larger exhausts and freer-flowing intakes give you more high-end horsepower at the expense of low-end torque. Ford makes the compromise where they see it as right. That leaves you to readjust, sure, but I happen to agree with where they put it: max torque at the lowest possible RPM while keeping the peak HP over 300 for marketing reasons. Its not like I need this thing to go 145MPH.

You and I can disagree, and I can't say I really know anything, but I think the manufacturer's own actions prove the point to me.