Dealer broke 4 spark plugs!
#32
11-10-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by madcat6183
Ah yes, finally got my truck back and the total of 50% was $1267 and odd change. That was only 50% of the total costs. 18.1 hrs of labor. Now thats awesome. They had to pull the engine, refill fluids, etc and even recharged my AC since it is november and Im sure Ill need it this winter....
Anyways, if I knew how to post pics I would. But just look at my profile albums of photos to see um. They all snapped off but 1, and yes they did follow the TSB's to a T actually. They are even noted with the TSB number and details in my receipt. FUnny because the tech explained what they had to do to me, and yep it was done correctly.
So ya, this does happen even when procedures are followed.
Anyways, if I knew how to post pics I would. But just look at my profile albums of photos to see um. They all snapped off but 1, and yes they did follow the TSB's to a T actually. They are even noted with the TSB number and details in my receipt. FUnny because the tech explained what they had to do to me, and yep it was done correctly.
So ya, this does happen even when procedures are followed.
Ignorance is not bliss.
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes. I changed mine at 16k miles, however, they probably weren't fused welded like the ones in a 150k mile engine. They were very difficult to come out, though.
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11-10-2007, 05:19 PM
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The Head tech at Ricart did tell me he planned on Ford releasing a letter to all 04 owners and asking about this problem. He said it ll probably ask for proof to show that people had this problem and plugs snap off and then some type of reimbursement will be issued. He said it ll be within the next year from the way the Ford Rep. was talking but he said until more people report this problem nothing will happen.
Im emailing Ford tomorrow and seeing what response I get back. Also a Ford Rep is supposed to call about my service at Ricart so then I can actually talk to someone get hopefully get somewhere.
Ok time for White Castle and some beers. In MY truck, not the shabby 06 XLT rental they gave me with no sound deadening. It was awful, 4.6L with bare stock options.
Im emailing Ford tomorrow and seeing what response I get back. Also a Ford Rep is supposed to call about my service at Ricart so then I can actually talk to someone get hopefully get somewhere.
Ok time for White Castle and some beers. In MY truck, not the shabby 06 XLT rental they gave me with no sound deadening. It was awful, 4.6L with bare stock options.
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11-10-2007, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by madcat6183
Ah yes, finally got my truck back and the total of 50% was $1267 and odd change. That was only 50% of the total costs. 18.1 hrs of labor. Now thats awesome. They had to pull the engine, refill fluids, etc and even recharged my AC since it is november and Im sure Ill need it this winter....
Anyways, if I knew how to post pics I would. But just look at my profile albums of photos to see um. They all snapped off but 1, and yes they did follow the TSB's to a T actually. They are even noted with the TSB number and details in my receipt. FUnny because the tech explained what they had to do to me, and yep it was done correctly.
So ya, this does happen even when procedures are followed.
Anyways, if I knew how to post pics I would. But just look at my profile albums of photos to see um. They all snapped off but 1, and yes they did follow the TSB's to a T actually. They are even noted with the TSB number and details in my receipt. FUnny because the tech explained what they had to do to me, and yep it was done correctly.
So ya, this does happen even when procedures are followed.
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Originally Posted by madcat6183
Got a call from the Ford Tech today at Ricart, they didnt have the TSB tool as recommended for removing broken plugs, so they had to go to 3 other Ford Dealers around to get it... They did and they got my 1st broken plug out. Tomorrow they are going after the other 7 plugs which have been soaking for 2 days now. However I talked to the tech today and they didnt know that breaking them free 1/8 of a turn would allow the pen. solvent to seap into the threads so I had to tell them.
Hopefully that ll fix it. I still dont plan to pay more then I was quoted LOL... We ll see how that goes.
After reading that, I'd have told them to STOP, and just tow my truck to a dealer who actually knew what they were doing. Nuts.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...=307086&page=2
Originally Posted by madcat6183
Got a call from the Ford Tech today at Ricart, they didnt have the TSB tool as recommended for removing broken plugs, so they had to go to 3 other Ford Dealers around to get it... They did and they got my 1st broken plug out. Tomorrow they are going after the other 7 plugs which have been soaking for 2 days now. However I talked to the tech today and they didnt know that breaking them free 1/8 of a turn would allow the pen. solvent to seap into the threads so I had to tell them.
Hopefully that ll fix it. I still dont plan to pay more then I was quoted LOL... We ll see how that goes.
After reading that, I'd have told them to STOP, and just tow my truck to a dealer who actually knew what they were doing. Nuts.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...=307086&page=2
Back out the spark plugs, no more than 1/8 to 1/4 of a turn. Apply penetrating oil (AeroKroil or equivalent) and fill the spark plug well just above where the jamb nut hex sits. A minimum period of 5 to 10 minutes of soak time is required. The penetrating oil will wick down to the ground electrode shield in this time. DO NOT WORK the spark plug back and forth at this point.
http://www.etoolcart.com/06152.pdf
http://www.etoolcart.com/06152.pdf
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#35
11-10-2007, 05:44 PM
I think it's pretty funny how most folks who haven't even looked at the plugs, much less tried removing them, are running around like Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling. "ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!111one!, half a million F150s out there, and one guy on F150online had his plugs break at 150,000 miles!!!!"
Yes, it is a known problem...and IMO, a **** poor design. Yes, sometimes they break. And yes, sometimes they don't. Until you actually try to remove them, successfully or not, whatever y'all say you're gonna do (talk to a lawyer? please Josiah, don't kid yourself...) don't mean squat.
Yes, it is a known problem...and IMO, a **** poor design. Yes, sometimes they break. And yes, sometimes they don't. Until you actually try to remove them, successfully or not, whatever y'all say you're gonna do (talk to a lawyer? please Josiah, don't kid yourself...) don't mean squat.
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11-10-2007, 05:50 PM
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Nope actually once I looked at the plugs myself they did follow it. I dont know if they did the 1st plug with the 1/4 turn and soak, but they did everything else. I wasnt sure at the time cuz I hadnt seen the plugs. I did now and they did tap, install, etc. the tool and everything. Also they let the oil soak all night and day, which is why it took 1 extra day. After that they did get 1 plug to come out, but 6 others broke, totalling 7 broken.
I mean I cant say that they did for sure, but I looked at all the broke ceramics and they all had been tapped and then processed through. But like I said, its impossible to tell wihtout being there how exacttly they did it compared to the TSB. But the TSB is documented with the ##s etc. so Im guessing they did. Plus I did stop by daily for updates etc. and I cant believ they could lie to me everyday with their stories straight, then the plugs looking like they did.
I mean I cant say that they did for sure, but I looked at all the broke ceramics and they all had been tapped and then processed through. But like I said, its impossible to tell wihtout being there how exacttly they did it compared to the TSB. But the TSB is documented with the ##s etc. so Im guessing they did. Plus I did stop by daily for updates etc. and I cant believ they could lie to me everyday with their stories straight, then the plugs looking like they did.
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#39
11-10-2007, 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Quintin
I think it's pretty funny how most folks who haven't even looked at the plugs, much less tried removing them, are running around like Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling. "ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!111one!, half a million F150s out there, and one guy on F150online had his plugs break at 150,000 miles!!!!"
Yes, it is a known problem...and IMO, a **** poor design. Yes, sometimes they break. And yes, sometimes they don't. Until you actually try to remove them, successfully or not, whatever y'all say you're gonna do (talk to a lawyer? please Josiah, don't kid yourself...) don't mean squat.
Yes, it is a known problem...and IMO, a **** poor design. Yes, sometimes they break. And yes, sometimes they don't. Until you actually try to remove them, successfully or not, whatever y'all say you're gonna do (talk to a lawyer? please Josiah, don't kid yourself...) don't mean squat.
You're right about one thing, a Lawyer is a farcry but breaking the spark plugs is not.
#40
11-10-2007, 06:36 PM
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Back to the topic at hand - as others have said, I agree in thinking the whole plug scenario is being blown out of proportion. Yes, they may break, but until you're there with the socket on the plug, you just don't know.
The thread starter toted his truck in with 150,000 miles on it, knowing full and well that the plugs may break, and surprise, they did. Another poster in this thread had his plugs replaced at 92,000 miles without nary a problem. I personally have replaced them in engines with up to 80K miles with no problems.
There just ain't no way of being 100% sure that you're gonna run into problems!
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to sound condescending or assholish, and if that's how I'm coming off, I apologize. It's just the honest truth guys. I won't deny that these plugs are a stupid design, and I agree wholly that Ford needs to do something about it...however, beyond a stupid removal procedure and a special tool to try to get them out when they break, it's obvious Ford ain't gonna do nothing, at least not right now. Fretting about it before hand, speculating and throwing stuff at the wall to see if it'll stick, won't help matters one bit. Every engine and every instance is a rule unto itself.
As evidenced in this thread, the TSB doesn't always work. Also as evidenced in this thread, the TSB sometimes works like a champ.
I know it's a sucky way to go, but we (or anyone who tries replacing these plugs) just don't know until we try.
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Back to the topic at hand - as others have said, I agree in thinking the whole plug scenario is being blown out of proportion. Yes, they may break, but until you're there with the socket on the plug, you just don't know.
The thread starter toted his truck in with 150,000 miles on it, knowing full and well that the plugs may break, and surprise, they did. Another poster in this thread had his plugs replaced at 92,000 miles without nary a problem. I personally have replaced them in engines with up to 80K miles with no problems.
There just ain't no way of being 100% sure that you're gonna run into problems!
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to sound condescending or assholish, and if that's how I'm coming off, I apologize. It's just the honest truth guys. I won't deny that these plugs are a stupid design, and I agree wholly that Ford needs to do something about it...however, beyond a stupid removal procedure and a special tool to try to get them out when they break, it's obvious Ford ain't gonna do nothing, at least not right now. Fretting about it before hand, speculating and throwing stuff at the wall to see if it'll stick, won't help matters one bit. Every engine and every instance is a rule unto itself.
As evidenced in this thread, the TSB doesn't always work. Also as evidenced in this thread, the TSB sometimes works like a champ.
I know it's a sucky way to go, but we (or anyone who tries replacing these plugs) just don't know until we try.
Last edited by Quintin; 11-10-2007 at 07:05 PM.
#41
11-10-2007, 06:56 PM
Settle down Quintin, I have no idea what brought on your insecurity but my post was one sentence, your response; a page. Just about none of your claims are true there. Do not know where the report button is, never complained of gas prices, never complained about buying used parts (in fact I supply links to those who want the same deals), you're on these forums every minute of every day. Get some fresh air bud.
Last edited by Josiah; 11-10-2007 at 08:45 PM.
#42
11-10-2007, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Josiah
Settle down Quintin, I have no idea what brought on your insecurity but my post was one sentence, yours; a page. Just about none of your claims are true there. Don't even know where the report button is, never complained of gas prices, never complained about buying used parts (in fact I supply links to those who want the same deals), you're on these forums every minute of every day. Get some fresh air bud.
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11-10-2007, 06:58 PM
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#44
11-10-2007, 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by madcat6183
Guys, take it to PMs or something. No need to start a war in the open threads....
Just my 2 cents, since Im the guy who's truck just cost 1200+ to get fixed for a simple plug change...
Just my 2 cents, since Im the guy who's truck just cost 1200+ to get fixed for a simple plug change...
