For some reason you seem to want to just find fault with my posts and not look at the whole picture. That's fine, someone always does.

So I go by Ford #'s and it's wrong and Edge is 43% off and it's right due to elavation? Odd!

You keep mentioning documented dyno sheets on this forum, but when I do a search I find none. Odd!

How can there be hole when I'm going by real world testing, not hear say on the internet? I have them and show them, I see no unquestionable proof from any other 3rd party showing the results you claim to be true. Please bring them in and not just say there out there.

As far as the 99 Cobra, Ford issued a MAJOR recall due to the advertised #'s being low. So that's not a very good argument. In 99 the fasted vehicle Ford made was the Lightning P/U. So they pulled the Cobras back in and did intake, exhaust and other work to get them up to the advertised #'s.

I'm in the Cobra world more then any, so please don't insult me. The fixed 99's and 01's rated at 305 are consistanly putting done 230-245 at the rear wheels. Which, yet again, is about 20%.+/-. Headers, exhaust, intake and tunes are pushing them to 28-305 RWHP. Please, I do this everyday.

Again, I'm not here to argue, but help get all the facts out there. If you want to agrue with me please give me a call and we can discuss dyno #'s and how much back ground we have on the dyno and the track.

My 270 RWHP truck ran a 15.5 @ 88mph. Do the 1/4 mile math on that. I'll copy the timeslip and post it if needed.

Now, before you slam your keyboard in anger and type something to pick apart my post, do a search here and else where to show the world a 40+% in drive train lose, don't just "say" it's true, please by all means show us. That's not alot to ask. I'm willing to learn, but I ONLY go by proof, not internet hear say.
If you can show me some 3rd party dyno testing that proves this or a "tune only" gaining the kind of power Edge claims I'll believe, until then all I see is claims.

For all of you wanting to learn and are confused by this un needed back and forth, I'm sorry. Have any real question feel free to call, I'd be happy to answer any question you may have.

I feel I'm repeating myself, but I'm in no way bashing any product mentioned here. The Edge and all the other intakes out there I'm sure are great products.

Jay

 

Nobody's angry. But the stuff about stock being 240+ RWHP flies in the face of every dyno that has been talked about here since the new body style came out. I dynoed mine in December in 30 deg weather and it had 229 RWHP (No muffler/Shaker intake). I dont have the printout because i left without it and they closed the dyno session without saving the file.
I did some searching too and all i can find are "after" numbers on posted in the owner's galleries. Rockpick had one in his gallery at one time but now it is gone..
My point about the Cobra was that the cars were over represented from the factory. People who buy cobras expect the performance to match the numbers. Im not sure that the F150 people would raise as big of a stink and get the advertised power as the cobras owners did. Getting dusted by sohc gts in your new cobra will do that for you! I'm sorry if you feel like i have insulted you, you obviously know a lot about cobras and fords in general.
All of that aside, I am very interested in your adapter to go with my shaker so i can eliminate the panel filter setup. If you will email me your number (pbutts at gmail dot com), i will call you and we can discuss your product and if it can be adapted for my application.

 

Hi.

Jay - here's a thread on driveline losses:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...driveline+loss

I also noticed you are in VA - you should get together with Mike - perhaps you may have a lot in common..... How far is Chesapeake from Covington, anyway?

Cheers
Grog

 

Thanks man.

Here is a quote from the greats at SCT:
Take a 5.4 (non-Lightning) F-150, which only comes in an automatic, and the driveline losses are 25.0% with the 4R70W automatic, and 26.54% with the 4R100 automatic. But if you *could* get a 5-spd. manual in a 5.4 F-150, the driveline loss would be about 13.46%.

Using this as a tool.
300 HP - 25.77%(avarage of the 2 given) = 222.69 RWHP. So Gobra, your is right on. Mine may be a tad high, but as they (SCT) said, you can't go by one set %. And again, all dynos read differant and all trucks will be different as well. I just don't see 43+% even with altitude.

Thanks for the informitive thread.

Jay

 

No flame Tucker, but the '04's and up F-150's have a totally different transmission in them than the two you mentioned in your previous post..
Hence, greater drive line loss.

 

For whatever it is worth I have the 4R75E tranny on my '06. I would like to think Ford wouldn't want to "up" the driveline loss, but we all know it's a possability.

Edit: Dang phone, I see that Marc Carpenter just went over this.

 

I just feel like ive been cheated!! Getting robbed of 75 hp when some only lose 40!!

 

Hi again Jay.

Here's another ( kinda long) one.... see posts # 15 & 16, but the whole thread is good entertaining stuff. Some dyno graphs at #24, and even more good stuff after that...

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...driveline+loss

Happy reading

Cheers
Grog

 

Wow, so what your impling is as the years go on Ford gets sloppier?

Hmm, the older trannys were good for a 25% lose but for some reason the new improved F-150 has a loose tranny that jumps to a 43+% drivetrain lose.

Sorry guys, seems like we just want to argue and not bring 04-up facts to the table. Not to mention argue about base line #'s when it's the before and after that means the real deal.

I guess I just don't get it.
I still don't see any 04-up graphs backing up this "theroy".


Jay

 

You do, of course, realize that you haven't posted any graphs backing up your theory, either. You have summarized your dyno runs on three vehicles and even a run at the track. That's fine. Personally, I'll take your word for it. However, you won't take other people's word, which is curious. You have been continually unimpressed with the testimonials and summaries provided by people here and even in searching the forum for posts.

You said, "I have searched the forums for dyno sheets with no luck, only talk about where are they and what were your #'s." This is exactly the information you have provided. Why is your "data" acceptable and others' summaries not? I'm not following the logic.

Again, I don't care to see dyno graphs. I don't read them, anyway. I prefer the summary. I think your product looks cool and probably works as good as anything else on the market.

 

My sheets are on the web site for all to see.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
www.jlttruecoldair.com
There is a full dyno page section with all my other sheets and test data.
We show all info, even A/F.

Jay

 

do you see anything in the near future for the 4.6

 

There are tons of new models in out future, but it's hard to say when.

 

Man this is just like what was said on the Corral and Stangnet when the JLT came out. The doubters and the haters. Jay Tucker is a stand up guy. I have done business with him and his products are everything he claims.


JLT Intake with DTP 93 octane tune. 05 Satin Silver Stang.

yes there were some that had problems when the intake came out. Jay fixed and satified everyone who had an issue. He even went as far as to buy back one dude's intake because he could not be satisfied with the upgrades. If I did not have the AF1 already I would line up to get one of Jays. He rocks in the Mustang world. Im sure he has done his homework on this one.

 

Just though i'll say something while you all argue about dyno numbers, my 5.4 has never been dyno. But, I can say that with the SCT X2 tuner, Volant intake, n Magnaflow catback system; my truck runs great. Pulled a 15.8 at 88mph I belive, on 305/35/24s (3.55 gears and will tack well over 120mph) in sunny south Florida at Moroso. SCTX2 and a good air intake is all you need, not no K&N cone on your maf

https://www.f150online.com/galleries....cfm?gnum=7573