As we all know, numbers vary based on a variety of factors including location of test, truck used, and type of dyno. I am not here to get into a debate on who is correct and who is not. I like the product and would like to talk with you about it.. What is the best way to contact you?

 

I have the contact information.

 

Just letting you know, I never dyno'd with my 37's, all while I was stock height and stock rubber. I did not mean to come off as a jerk but now see that reply may be mistaken as so. I am very skeptical towards my own gains, not yours as they are not "about right" period. I know exactly what you are talking in regards to stang dyno's vs. Dynojets, I was on a Dynojet.

Like I said, there may be something holding me back (I could only guess it'd be the tuner/exhaust). I *should be hitting significantly higher numbers than yourself considering my mods, nearly every one of my mods I was able to feel something which says a lot in the heaviest F-150 model (don't really feel 4-5hp gains in a 4wd Screw). E-fans were a pretty good gain (I'm guessing around 8-10), pulley's were probably one of those smaller gains (around 4-6) as you lose your top end prematurely without proper tuning, the cats were at least 10+, the exhaust is hurting me a little, the tuner was a decent gain but not as much as I'd expected, intake was a gain but I never dyno'd that early on (one of my first mods).

 

I understood your comments. You didn't sound like s jerk at all.
With the internet it's hard sometimes to read the feelings ment to come across in type, but I got it.

Here's my opinion on your mods.
Has anyone "dyno" tested the fans, pullies and cats? In my experiance they never produced much on the dyno, but sometimes our SOTP (seat of the pants) dyno can "mentally" have gains. I'm not saying this is the case, but you shouldn't be able to feel anything unless is 10-15 RWHP or more and that's alot for fans and pullies.

I've dyno tested mine and many other products to the tune of well over 250 dyno runs and have never seen these little mods ad up to much.
Throttle body spacers, gutted/ removed cats or even pullies.

Replacing 3-4 pullies on a GT or Cobra will net 8-9 RWHP, so I now only replacing 2 on the F150 will be low, like you said 4 maybe.
I have seen removed or gutted cats lose TQ big time on a near stock motor.

Just don't put much faith in reading the internet and people saying:I just changed X and it feels like 10 HP" as it can make us think we have more power then we do.

Going to the dyno or the track in most cases is disapointing as we add up all the 4,5, 10 and 15 HP "parts" only to find out when used together only netted 8 RWHP.

This is why we test all our product before and after the same day and take pics and sometimes video. People want proof and desirve it.

Good luck
Jay

 

20% driveline loss is a too low. Average is 32-40% on the 4x2's. Ford statistics, at least before I retired from Ford Motor Company..
I have witnessed hundreds of dyno runs involving both 4x2's and 4x4's and have never seen a stock 04-05 F-150 make 240 RWHP.
My '04 F-150 4x4 SCrew made a whopping 200 RWHP stock.With the X-Cal2 and the 3.25" tract Air Force 1 I am making 242 RWHP on 87 octane which I believe to be a substancial gain. I am not flaming "anyone" here, but your numbers seem a little high. I would be very interested in what you call the custom tune from SCT that enables you to attain 271 RWHP.
just a little curious..

 

I was wondering when you TP Xcal2 boys would be in here!


Another thing that i forgot to mention is that, i dont pay pay too much attention to vendors dyno sheets. Ive had dyno operators tell me " how much HP/TQ do you want your graph to have?".

Posted charts from members is how you cred on this forum. I think it has worked really well for Troyer Performance and even the few edge dyno charts that have been posted.

If you make that much hp (271) with the meter/programmer, youll sell everyone you make....

 

A custom tune is any tune that make it safe to run the intake set up you have. Just like the X-2 and AF1 your running.

32-40% seems very high to me. I've never heard that before, but oh well.

I have had a 03, Expi and a 00 F-150 4x4 on another local dyno and saw the same 20% in lose.

The 2000 F-150 in stock trim dynoed (Dynojet) 212.75.
Flyweel 260 - 20% = 208 RWHP in the math. Agian right at the standard 20%

2003 Expi 4x4 in stock trim dynoed 193.73 (Dynojet).
Flyweel 260 - 20% = 208 RWHP in the math. Agian right at the standard 20%

I can only go by what I see and so far 20% has been right on the mark. Same to you, no flame intended, just posting factual info.
I can post these graphs if needed.

Jay

 

I have searched the forums for dyno sheets with no luck, only talk about where are they and what were your #'s.

Maybe I need to go back much further??

As far as someone saying dyno operators falsifing #'s. Yes, it can happen, but can put you out of business fast.

It's new and will take some time, but it always does. 3rd party testing will trickle in over the next few months. It happens with all kits.

Ok, off to the shop now.

Jay

 

I used Jay's kit on my 03 cobra and loved the increased power, I have an 05 Exp that we will be using to see how the Exp reacts to the intake/tune and that will give us another vehicle to show the numbers. Will keep you posted.

I have been bugging Jay about a kit for the Exp since I got it in Aug and he refused to slap something together just to see if it would work, I know he is the new guy on the block and will be competing with the better known names but Jay's products are not released until he has a quality product with numbers/results to promote his product.

Greg

 

From what ive heard, the air intake on the 03-04 is a MAJOR restriction. So "anything" over stock would be better. The Ford people said it was like "sucking through a straw"!
I think there will be some power there on our trucks but not a step change over the AF1 or Airaid, especially when combined with the tuning. We'll see though....

 

Jay,
That is a good looking intake.
Are one of the three tunes suitable for towing?
Have you tried the intake and tune on several trucks with success?
Any issues with CEL's or lean conditions?
How much drone is there?
Are the tunes drivable or pretty extreme?

Thanks, Jon

 

We have arived.......LOL

 

20% driveline loss is too low..
mine looked like 28% on 4x2 supercab
so Marc 33% on 4x4 sounds right on........

 

Are one of the three tunes suitable for towing?
Yes, plus there is a towing optiton in the X-2

Have you tried the intake and tune on several trucks with success?
3 so far and were testing a Expi Thursday

Any issues with CEL's or lean conditions?
No lean conditions because of the tune. This tells the computer what to do as far as A/F.

How much drone is there?
Not too sure what your mean here.

Are the tunes drivable or pretty extreme?
The trucks drives like normal, but with better throttle responce, until you mash the gas. Then you feel the power, higher RPM and firmer shifts. Nothing extreme about it.


Funny we seem to think 20% lose is low, but there is no data being shown to say other wise. I have 3 different trucks here that dynoed at the 20% +/-and all were 4x4. When the truck is in 2wd it's 2wd!! 20% has been the standard for as long as I can remember.
Go or call any reputable dyno shop out of the blue and just ask.

Also funny, 20% is low, but the Edge shows a dynochart that's a wopping 44% lose and it's cool?? Think about it guys, your not losing almost HALF your power through the tranny and driveshaft.

As I said, if there are any sceptics out there on my #'s please cruise the tons of Mustang forums and you will see praises of our product and service. We can not afford to BS the #'s and never will. Just because were new to the trucks, doesn't mean were bougus.

Someone must have a Jan. issue of 5.0. #1 in HP and TQ produced of 11 kits from the big guys like K&N, C&L, Steeda and so on. The same thought when into the F-150.

I'm not here to push and promote, just give info and facts. TP guys have nothng to worry about and I'd look forward to working with them in the future. I hear there the top dog here.

I will post the other dyno sheets as soon as I fugure out how. Someone post there dyno sheet showing 40+% lose.

Jay

 

Jay,
You are not helping yourself at all relying on Ford's Factory HP numbers. Since you are the Mustang world, you are well aware of the 99 Cobra. Factory HP rating of 305. What were the real world RWD HP numbers, 225? That's like 27% (through a five speed)!! Just because Ford says it makes 300 doesnt mean it makes 300 flywheel. Just like ford says a truck will get 19mpg on the highway doesnt mean it does!

regarding Edge's dyno charts, I mentioned that they are Higher elevation. That will have a serious impact on HP numbers.

I'm not trying to critical or slam you, but i think that you have some holes in your argument. There have been WAYYYYY too many documented dyno sessions on this forumthat have established what HP and TQ a stock F150 makes. Maybe you have a ringer....