These oil threads always degenerate into folly. Changing you oil once a year or 25,000 miles? Are you insane? I don't care what oil you are using that's just dumb.

Time for me to unsubscribe to this thread because it's meaningless.

 

I'll tell you what, get your oil at 3000 miles and I will get my Amsoil at 1 year or 25,000 and we will send it to Oil Analyzers Inc. and see what it shows.
I guarantee you that your petroleum based oil will not show any advantage at all.
Don't call things dumb that you obviously have no knowledge of.

 

I'll tell you what. You pay for your oil analysis, and I'll pay for my oil change at 3,000 miles.
I guarantee you that your oil analysis will not show any advantage at all.

And my oil will be fresh and clean! Filter too!

 

You only have the oil analized to determine how long the oil can last with your driving conditions, climate and peticular vehicle. Once you have found the point the oil stops protecting as well you can then change it and run the oil from that point foward to about 80% of where the test started to drop off and be safe. Oil seems to be about the only product that people seem to feel fine throwing away even though it has life left. The old 3k interval has been around since the modern automobile. Seems kinda funny how tires, brakes and every aspect of the vehicle is now more effecient but oil. and dont go telling me that engine tolerances and oil qualities have not improved drasticially over the years, just another way for the oil industry to make a profit. Dealerships make a killing changing oil, so do mechanics. The reason they dont increase intervals; because no one benefits from it but the consumer

 

Another old school unbeliever.
The oil analysis will show that Amsoil at 25,000 miles has less thermal breakdown and viscosity breakdown than your oil at 3,000.
You don't have to agree, that's fine.
Many people still believe the old 3,000 mile oil change from the 20th century and are afraid to actually look into what synthetics can really do.
By the way, your oil changes are more expensive per year because of changing every 3,000 miles but go ahead and spend more money if that makes you feel better.
If you are willing to learn something check this out: http://bestsyntheticoil.com/

 

UOA is pointless!!!!!!!!!

seriously, what's the point of paying what ever it is, spending time to pack it, spending money to ship it, then waiting to see if it is in good shape or not while i'm still driving on the same oil? why not just spend that money on oil and a filter and then you KNOW what the condition of your oil and filter is, clean and new. think people.

 

Because it proves a point to those who are too stubborn to learn!
Why change oil so often when synthetics do not require it and cost less in the long run?
They also prevent wear and tear a lot better.

 

How about every one just agree to disagree. By the way does any one know how many quarts of oil an old inline 300 six cyl, holds. I was told it was 6 but I just can't believe that a six cylinder could hold that much. It is a huge monster of a six cylinder though, I could be wrong.

 

There are many misconceptions and just wrong info in this thread. The oil filter that will be recommended for your Triton engine will have a required anti drain back valve. The valve holds oil in the filter while the engine is off and doesn't require the oil pump to fill the filter before providing oil to the engine. It saves the wear at start up.
There was a reference to Mobils Extended oils. These have been shown to be a mostly Gp III dino synthetic. They do have issues with the oil making the 15,000 mile mark in some engines. I believe that you will find that most Mobil One products are a blend of synthetic basestocks, not just PAO since Katrina. Their plant was shut down for months- they obviously had to reformulate. It certainly does not make it a bad product but some folks are getting pissy thinking they are paying for a "full" synthetic and are being ripped off because of the Gp III. Gp III basestocks have evolved and while they don't yet have the long term life like a PAO, they are doing fantastic jobs of providing excellent wear metals at the same price. FWIW, the feedstocks to make PAOs are becoming more scarce and expensive. It won't be long and they won't be in your motor oil because of cost. That means that companies like Amsoil will have no option but to go to a different type basestock, maybe ester, or watch their business dissolve into oblivian like a dinosaur.
Retromike, a new Amsoil dealer, huh? You have a lot to learn. Your reference to the website is full of blatant lies. Amsoil is not the first in synthetics and never has been. The first were produced in 1927 by Standard Oil. Al Amatuzio wasn't even born yet let alone invent it. The largest PRODUCER of PAO is Chevron and has been since 1954 when they started selling the military the oils for their combat vehicles. Amsoil MAKES nothing, they are a blender. They buy their basestocks and their add packs from others and mix it and bottle it. As far as the advertizing that they do- its slimmy at best. The oil, however, is good which I will never understand why they stoop so low on their advertizing when the product is good. Must be something in the water. Amsoil is great for folks that use their vehicles in a commercial environment where time is money. Maintenance downtime can be limited and the unit can make more bucks working rather than in the shop getting the oil changed. For the average user, its just a novelty. To use it correctly, you should first trend the engine. Not all engines are synthetic friendly. This requires analysis every 5000 miles. Generally, you are looking at $20.00 per report which equals a fresh oil change of dino, but you still have oil full of contaminants with your synthetic. Once the trend has been established you use the report to determine the oil change frequency. Not all engines will go 25,000 miles, some will go farther. Wear metals are usually a little higher per thousand miles but not enough you will ever know it and is not an issue. You also have to buy an extended life filter- it ain't $2.99. And to do extended changes correctly you need a by-pass unit. Amsoils unit is as good as any on the market but its still another $250.00+ for most buyers. Now how cheap is your synethetic? But you are spot on when you mentioned a 3000 oil change. Any of the modern Triton engines will easily go 5000 miles between changes and most will go 7500 miles. Now do the math- your synthetic has now become expensive- for the average driver. Commercially, in most fleets, I recommend Amsoil because of the downtime. For the average driver- its an expensive novelty. Good oil, won't say anything bad about the product, just not worth the money for Joe Common. And then there is the manufacturers warranty. Ford is not going to warrant any oil related failures when the owner has used an oil that is not API rated. Most of Amsoils better products are not because the add package is so large that it exceeds the maximum limits set by API. The XL7500 is just a Gp III dino and isn't really of any benefit over Havoline or Pennzoil or any other OTC oil.
Folks, this isn't rocket science or astro physics. Read your owners manual. Use what it says- its really that simple. Ford designed your engine around that oil spec- thats how engines are made, starting with the fluids and the requirements set out for a specified expected engine life. They don't just make an engine and later decide on the oil, the oil specs are critical before the engine design ever leaves the paper. The oils add packs are limited these days because of emmissions controls that must live in an environment for tens of thousands of miles that you wouldn't last 5 minutes in. Any gassing of these oil additives and kiss a thousand dollar set of cats bye-bye. Thats why the oil specs are so critical and why you should stay with the Ford recommendation.
My .02 and your mileage may vary

 

The man has spoken.
There are people who just won't give in and admitt they are not up to the task of technically defending there position by the use of claims of all kinds.
As I stated and just reafirmed this evening, Mobil extended oils 5000, 7500 and another of their "extended" oils have exclusions right on the back of "their" labels that places them no better than regular oil by "their" own admission, for the cost of nealy $7. For what? Could it be misleading to get sales?
I make no claims but to ask people to open up to commomn sense and be reasonable with 'themselves'.
Look at MC 5w20. It's only $2.22 in some locations and you will not get a better oil for the price anywhere and IS the oil for your truck under all conditions.
People are trying to take advantage of some kind of magic that is not there.

 

When Amsoil wanted to use the slogan, "The first in synthetics" they were told that they would have to send a letter to the major oil companies telling them what they were claiming and allowing them to post a rebuttal. Not a single company had a rebuttal against Amsoil's claims!
I find it odd that Chevron would not say anything if they are the first as you claim.
It is told on that site I posted:

AMSOIL Trademarked "First in Synthetics"
Here's another interesting tid-bit. Albert J. Amatuzio, President and CEO of AMSOIL, Inc., announced a while back that the phrase "First in Synthetics" is now part of the AMSOIL registered trademark. No other oil manufacturer can claim to be first.

Mr. Amatuzio told an interesting story as to how this came about. AMSOIL applied to have this statement registered and was told that they must prove to the trademark officials, by documentation, that AMSOIL Synthetic Oil was first, historically. However, they also said that by claiming to be first, AMSOIL was insinuating they were the best (or #1/first) from a quality or performance standpoint.

So AMSOIL had to convince them that they had the best product to also claim to be first. AMSOIL proceeded to present comparison documentation and test results backing up the claim that AMSOIL was also the best. YES! THE TRADEMARK OFFICIALS ACCEPTED THE DOCUMENTATION to allow AMSOIL to use "first" in their trademark.

But the process was not through. The procedure now required the government to notify all the other oil manufacturers that would be impacted by this decision, so they would have input before this decision would be official. They were notified in writing and given 90 days to object, comment or respond. The ninety days elapsed without a peep!

AMSOIL not only convinced the trademark office that AMSOIL Synthetic Oil was first historically, but also convinced them that AMSOIL is the first in quality, and no other competitor objected!

You claim that link is a bunch of lies, prove it!

 

You carry on with this and has it nothing to do with the oil.
In a court of Law the lawyers present a case of who can BS the jury the most and win the case.
It does not alway make them right.
Who gives a **** what the trade mark says?
I don't run trade marks for oil.
My engine will run just as long as one with Amsoil in it.

 

Damn Bluegrass you sound like you work for a competitor or something.
Have a drink and relax buddy.

 

Ah Mike your wrong again. I don't work for or represent anyone in any capacity.
I am asking you to fall back on some common sense about all this.
I don't care what oil you choose to use but all this about trade marks over oil is not at all applicable to the disscussion.
Somtimes it is wise not to enter into a litigation/objection over something if there is little or no return from it in the future as far as trade marks and other things are concerned.
Don't put to much effort into thinking I am intense about it because all it is is an attempt to bring some common sense to all this, not to hard argue the points.
I get nothing out of it however it goes.
Why try to gold plate something that does not need it such as using oils that have high costs and bring little in the way of any better results for the average owner.
That all any of us are saying who defend the use of regular oils over the so called exocitics. That's all there is to it. Nothing intense. I just accentuated it a little to be sure some get the idea who may be inclined to agree.

 

Well Bluegrass you are entitled to your opinons my friend and you should use the oil you feel comfortable with.
I did not bring up the trade marks question someone else did.
I used petroleum based oils for years and recently researched Amsoil and found it to be the real deal and believe in it.
I come from a family of heavy equipment master mechanics also so these things are not just trivial to me.
Amsoil is cheaper to run in the long run, it causes less engine wear and many people report higher mileage when switching to it due to it's superior lubricating properties. When I switched my Honda VTX 1800 motorcycle to Amsoil over the Honda oil I was using I noticed it shifted easier and was quieter overall.
I know many motorcycle riders who echo the same thoughts also so I am not an isolated example.