New 6.2l for F-150???
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Overall in North America more people buy gas engines than Diesel. One area may have a proliferation of PSD SuperDuties but that is not the national trend. Besides, the SD is considered a work truck. It is bigger heavier and stronger than the 150. It should have a diesel or sales would go to the other two brands.
According to the papers the increase in gas prices has not slowed down the purchase of low mpg vehicles. So don't expect a diesel in the 150 for a while yet.
JMC
According to the papers the increase in gas prices has not slowed down the purchase of low mpg vehicles. So don't expect a diesel in the 150 for a while yet.
JMC
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Gotta chime in here, JMC, I know that you are not someone to pick an argument with on here, but... 
In Texas, and a lot of the southern USA, where A LOT of these pick-ups are going, soccer moms are already driving diesel Excursions and 3/4 ton and bigger pick-ups. And the new diesels are really not that smelly and loud. I think that the only draw back would be maintenance costs. I think that the larger gas engine is great and all, but I don't think that it will sell as well as a diesel. Even in Texas where gas prices are still around 1.80/gallon.
I believe that it is a mind set of consumers that diesel is dirtier (diesel emissions are visible sulphur oxides, gasoline emissions are invisible) and I think that if (emphasis on if) gas prices do stay over 2 bucks a gallon consistently people will be searching for something with more efficient horsepower than our 5.4s. Especially with raises in the North American economy being so freaking small.
Just my two cents. I know if I was given the option in a half ton I would drive a diesel!!
In Texas, and a lot of the southern USA, where A LOT of these pick-ups are going, soccer moms are already driving diesel Excursions and 3/4 ton and bigger pick-ups. And the new diesels are really not that smelly and loud. I think that the only draw back would be maintenance costs. I think that the larger gas engine is great and all, but I don't think that it will sell as well as a diesel. Even in Texas where gas prices are still around 1.80/gallon.
I believe that it is a mind set of consumers that diesel is dirtier (diesel emissions are visible sulphur oxides, gasoline emissions are invisible) and I think that if (emphasis on if) gas prices do stay over 2 bucks a gallon consistently people will be searching for something with more efficient horsepower than our 5.4s. Especially with raises in the North American economy being so freaking small.
Just my two cents. I know if I was given the option in a half ton I would drive a diesel!!
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johnyb777,
We are not arguing we are debating . Arguing has name calling.
So of the 1,000,000 pickups that Ford sells in a year how many are diesel? How many are in texas? At least 800,000 of them are 150s so that leaves 200,000 of them that are Super Duties and could potentially be Diesel. Of the 200,000 Super Duties I do not know how many are diesels but even if all of them are diesel that is a small piece of the pie. The other two of the big three would have simular numbers. So my point is; that people in general do not like diesels. that may change but for now even if people changed their ideas it would take years to change the millions of pick up trucks over to diesel.
JMC
We are not arguing we are debating . Arguing has name calling.
So of the 1,000,000 pickups that Ford sells in a year how many are diesel? How many are in texas? At least 800,000 of them are 150s so that leaves 200,000 of them that are Super Duties and could potentially be Diesel. Of the 200,000 Super Duties I do not know how many are diesels but even if all of them are diesel that is a small piece of the pie. The other two of the big three would have simular numbers. So my point is; that people in general do not like diesels. that may change but for now even if people changed their ideas it would take years to change the millions of pick up trucks over to diesel.JMC
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i'm asking if anyone knows when the 6.2 will be avable in the F-150??? and J-150 i would have to say your are wright with this out hear there is way more with the PSD then a gas engine
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They ought to try fixing the faulty rearend that's been a constant source of vibrations and
clutch pack shudders for a couple years now .They even have a tsb out on the subject, but
yet they keep putting the faulty parts in at the man. plant ????????? who needs a bigger engine if the rear end can't roll from a red light or stop sign without needless clunking and shaking ??????? Ask the so called Ford engineers that one .............
clutch pack shudders for a couple years now .They even have a tsb out on the subject, but
yet they keep putting the faulty parts in at the man. plant ????????? who needs a bigger engine if the rear end can't roll from a red light or stop sign without needless clunking and shaking ??????? Ask the so called Ford engineers that one .............
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I have to agree with some of you Ford should seriously consider a diesel application for the F150. How about hybrid diesels with cylinder management technology (shut down cylinders when not needed)? I suppose they could also apply cylinder management technology to gasoline engines as well, but they are still less fuel efficient when compared to diesels with similar displacements.
I recently visited New Zealand where gas was nearly $4 (US) per gallon. Diesel fuel was half that and there were diesel vehicles everywhere - crew cab Rangers and Tacoma trucks in addition to SUV’s such as Pathfinders, Land Cruisers, and Four Runners (although the models go by different names). They were great! I’d love a crew cab ranger with a 4 or 6-cylinder diesel. By the way, I once owned a 19.5 ft long, 97 F250 7.3L Powerstroke. Loved it but it was too big for city living.
Keep the new 6.2 and give me a tree stump ripping torque monster diesel with hybrid technology. I don’t care as much about horsepower, after all, I bought a truck not a racecar. Who really cares how fast I get from 0 to 60, as long as I get there in a reasonable amount of time for a 5,000-lb truck and rip the axles off your 6.2 when I get there! But if you are going to develop a 6.2L, at least include cylinder management technology to ease the costs of operation on the end user.
Fuel costs are only going to go up and when they do, diesels are going to look a lot more attractive. The US is definitely behind the curve. We need to develop fuel-efficient hybrid diesel or gasoline trucks now and not as a reaction to rising fuel costs. Bigger displacement seems great now when gas is cheap but how long do you think you’ll want your 6.2L when fuel is $3 or $4 dollars per gallon? Americans are fickle and we’ll be trading in the gas guzzling V8’s for more efficient cars like 4 bangers, hybrids, and diesels if fuel costs rise again. Heck, people were already starting to trade in their SUV’s two months ago when gas prices peaked.
Developing a larger displacement gasoline V8 for the F150 is shortsighted at best and Ford is simply responding to the market. Let’s just hope they slap some cylinder management technology on it to save us some $. Even better, develop a hybrid diesel for the F150!
By the way, the Diesel Jeep Liberty is going to be a huge success. GM and Ford will have to follow suit eventually.
I recently visited New Zealand where gas was nearly $4 (US) per gallon. Diesel fuel was half that and there were diesel vehicles everywhere - crew cab Rangers and Tacoma trucks in addition to SUV’s such as Pathfinders, Land Cruisers, and Four Runners (although the models go by different names). They were great! I’d love a crew cab ranger with a 4 or 6-cylinder diesel. By the way, I once owned a 19.5 ft long, 97 F250 7.3L Powerstroke. Loved it but it was too big for city living.
Keep the new 6.2 and give me a tree stump ripping torque monster diesel with hybrid technology. I don’t care as much about horsepower, after all, I bought a truck not a racecar. Who really cares how fast I get from 0 to 60, as long as I get there in a reasonable amount of time for a 5,000-lb truck and rip the axles off your 6.2 when I get there! But if you are going to develop a 6.2L, at least include cylinder management technology to ease the costs of operation on the end user.
Fuel costs are only going to go up and when they do, diesels are going to look a lot more attractive. The US is definitely behind the curve. We need to develop fuel-efficient hybrid diesel or gasoline trucks now and not as a reaction to rising fuel costs. Bigger displacement seems great now when gas is cheap but how long do you think you’ll want your 6.2L when fuel is $3 or $4 dollars per gallon? Americans are fickle and we’ll be trading in the gas guzzling V8’s for more efficient cars like 4 bangers, hybrids, and diesels if fuel costs rise again. Heck, people were already starting to trade in their SUV’s two months ago when gas prices peaked.
Developing a larger displacement gasoline V8 for the F150 is shortsighted at best and Ford is simply responding to the market. Let’s just hope they slap some cylinder management technology on it to save us some $. Even better, develop a hybrid diesel for the F150!
By the way, the Diesel Jeep Liberty is going to be a huge success. GM and Ford will have to follow suit eventually.
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Until ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) comes out in 2007 you will not see a F150 diesel. 1/2 ton trucks and cars have much stricter emissions requirements than 3/4 ton and higher vehicles.
IIRC, VW had to get an exemption to continue selling their tdi's until 2006.
The larger diesel engines (i.e. 4.5 v6 baby PSD) can not currently meet 1/2 ton vehicle emissions standards on the current fuel available. Once the ULSD is the only diesel available, diesel engines will exceed the emissions standards and you will see a lot of new diesel engine offerings in cars and trucks.
It's not because the car makers just don't want to offer diesel options. It's because right now they can't.
IIRC, VW had to get an exemption to continue selling their tdi's until 2006.
The larger diesel engines (i.e. 4.5 v6 baby PSD) can not currently meet 1/2 ton vehicle emissions standards on the current fuel available. Once the ULSD is the only diesel available, diesel engines will exceed the emissions standards and you will see a lot of new diesel engine offerings in cars and trucks.
It's not because the car makers just don't want to offer diesel options. It's because right now they can't.