If Ford goes to a 6 cylinder diesel like you guys want, the other manufacturers would be claiming "best HP in a gasoline pickup". It would be a mess. Not gonna see a diesel in the F-150. 6.2 is coming, like it or not.

 

I do after the issues that became of the 6.0L and the baby diesel. There could be some sour relationships between the two companies.

 

HI!... Several months ago a few buddies of mine that work at FORD's told me about the 6.2L *HURRICANE* Ford's has been developing. They couldn't give me exact H.P/TQ #'s but they did tell me that it will make way more power than the 345H.P *HEMI* and over 400FT/LBS of TQ. Make it 3 valve with varible timing and a SCREW type supercharger............... and SIGN ME UP!!!!!!

 

I am sure there is a problem with how they are driven, ever seen a parts running vehicle that wasn't beat to death by a 8 buck an hour 19 year old college student? All they know is brake to the floor, or throttle to the floor. All of our trucks (12 of them) are 1998 and newer 2wd F250 SD trucks with automatics and 3.73 gearing. I asked the parts manager today about what they are getting, he says the older 7.3 engines are averaging between 12 and 15, and the newer 6.0's are in the 14 to 16 mpg range.

We do have one 2000 extended cab 4wd with only 3.54 gears and it gets 15-19 usually depending on who drives it.

I also worked on a F450 today, its a drywall delivery truck, and has a 3126E Cat engine and Allison, and the ECM was showing a
top mpg attained to be 16.34.

We also have a couple of the Freightliner Sprinter vans with the
I-5 Mercedes engines and they get upwards of 25 mpg, but the maintanience costs are high, as they like to use EGR valves that cost about 400 bucks. But they run like a raped ape I tell ya, one ton vans that will break the tires loose in a hole shot!

I am curious about the MB diesel that is supposed to be going into the Liberty, A while back they claimed 30 mpg in the ugly little Liberty.

I biggest advantage in the I motor over the V is the amount of torque made, as the long stroke I's get a more efficient and powerfull thrust on the power stroke of the cylinder than the shorter stroke of a V.

If I ever do buy a diesel pickup I will buy a I block engine, if its a Dodge then that what it will be, but I like what I heard from that Navistar rep, that Ford was fishing around with other diesel manufacturers, namely Caterpillar, for a 4 cylinder inline diesel in the 5 liter range since they have been pretty rocky with Navistar lately. And I severely dislike the DT engine line from Navistar.


As for Cummins and the Dodges, I don't think that they will be Cummins powered for much longer, as Diamler Chrysler owned Freightliner Corp. is very unstable with Cummins, to the point that they are pretty much unavailable in new Freightliner, Sterling, and Western Star trucks. They push Detroit Diesel since they own that too, but Cats are available at about 6k more than a equivelent Detroit.


But yeah anyway back to the Hurricane... I think that a little more power would be nice at times in my 5.4, but I would hate to give up any more fuel mileage than what I get now.
If I lost 3-4 mpg from my 5.4, I might as well drive my old Bronco and have 400 plus HP and get my 9 mpg that it gets.

Sorry for the long windedness, but its Friday, and I spent 8 hours under a truck with a bad oil leak, changing out the clutch. So I have all sorts of pent up diesel agression... that and I smell like it too.. haha

 

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Not gonna see a diesel in the F-150. 6.2 is coming, like it or not.

Yeehaa ! I sure hope so that wound give me a reason to trade my 01 in because the 04's sure didn't!

 

The diesel Liberty is not MB design, but VM. It will be EPA rated at 21/27mpg and availible only on 4x4's with a 5-speed automatic, for now.

I think the biggest advantage of an I6 is its balance.

I think it would be foolish for DCX to drop the Cummins. Cummins brand image sells a lot of those trucks.

 

I,m going to jump in this and say Thay (Ford) need to fix the
problems that thay have now with the v6 4.6 5.4 v10 engines first
before coming out with a new engine. All the problems. piston slape, rist pins, main thrust bearings, blown head gaskets,spark plugs shooting out of cylinder heads, rod & main bearing feller. Just to name few. I'v own Fords all my life I have 6 of them.and for
GM & Dodge thay need to do the same before thay move on.

SVTDSG

....and yes flame away!

 

i think they need a small diesel and a more powerful gas burner in the 150's to put those ***** hemi's in their place.a 5.4 will out tow a "hemi" and day of the week,and with comparable gearing i'd say they'd leave em on the track too.but they need somethin that will absolutely dominate every other half ton on hp and towing cause the rest of the truck allready does

 

Make a bigger engine to get more power...... The current engines are made to produce more low end power than all out power. They could easily make these engines make those numbers but they would no longer have the power down low for towing.

 

I commend Ford for listening to us, the buyers. I don't know that a huge dissplacement engine is really the answer. I don't see why they can't work the 4.6 and 5.4 to put out better power. We've seen both engines produce major power in different platforms, and different configurations. I think the 3V 4.6 should be butting out the power of the 3V 5.4 and the 5.4 should be putting out more power than the Hemi.

This will be something to keep an eye on.

 

There is something that you must understand and that is CAFE, Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Ford sells more pickup trucks than any one else. What happens to their fuel economy is important. Even the 1-2 mpg difference between the 4.6 and 5.4 is important. Unless they can come up with a fuel efficient high output V8 you will not see it in the average F-150. They have flogged the 5.4 to death trying to get efficient and reliable power from it and I thing they have realized that they need more cubes. Look at the lightning. You don't see that 5.4 offered as an engine option in an XLT do you? Now for the oil burner. The average soccer mom and heterosexual male will not buy a diesel because of the stigma associated with it. They stink and make noise and are made for working hard. Ford probably hired some one to survey the buyers and they, in majority said no. If they put a 4 banger in the F-150 I would not get it. Nothing less than a 6 cylinder. Back in 2000 if I would have test driven a SD with the then 7.3 I would be driving a Diesel. I had a chance to ride in one a few months ago. WOW! This thing gets 20 mpg, can pull tree stumps out idling and runs like a scalded cat. FYI GM or Dodge don't offer one in the ½ ton. Why should Ford? So unless the competition gets a diesel and it becomes a success don't expect Ford the industry leader in pickups to get one for the F-150.

The above stated opinion is that of the owner and it considered to be the most intelligent thing that ever came out of my brain so far this year.

Regards

JMC

 

you mean all those ford truck sold are not for working? i totally agree with you. the thing that makes me scratch my head is that the new 3v engine in the 03 body would have been a home romw in my opion. hauling around that extra 400 to 500 pounds just took all the added hp and flushed it down the toilet. if Ford could put the current truck on a diet and drop 300 to 400 pounds i think that would make a nice difference.

will be interesting to see how they come up with 6.2 liters since the current 5.4 is already a long stoke engine, is there room in this block for a piston large enough to come up with that many cubes? why not a v-10 based on the 4.6 bore and stroke to come up with around 350 cubic inches.

the hemi is available with 3.92, the 5.4 available with 3.73, that is very comparible gearing. most hemis have 20 inch tire and rims so by the time you figure out tire sizr they are probably even closer. at the track the hemi wins by a descent amount.

 

I think that I blocks have an advantage in big trucks, but not necessarily in the F-250 - F-550 class. I think the V blocks are an inherrently better design for this particular application. You may get more torque from an I, but you already have more than enough torque in any of the big three diesels to do more than what your truck is capable of. There is no clear advantage of any Cummins over a 7.3 up until this year, and since the 7.3 didn't have a chance to be upgraded, this is hardly comparable. IMHO, the 7.3 was the single best diesel made the entire time it was out.

 

Does anybody know if this new engine will be out in 05 or 06 model year?

 

The F250 PSD's are virtually a dime a dozen here in my area...I see them ALLL over.

I also think when the soccer mom's thought about the lower gas price and higher gas mileage, they might reconsider. But thats a maybe since the diesel costs more up front.

I can attest to the power of the 7.3L. We pulled out a bunch of shrubs from the side of our house this weekend. Our F250 just yanked those suckers out...if it was in 4L it didnt seem to even struggle.

I tired with my F150 but the backend just kept sliding over (pulling the shrubs out at an angle), our F250 is a good bit heavier in the rear end with the cap and all the stuff my dad keeps back there.