Yes, but now your argument is not internally consistent.

You posted dyno results to show a good SC system.
The response was that the baseline was elevated by ~50 rwhp and was therefore not believable.
You responded that the absolute numbers were not important, it was just the difference (or gain) that mattered; you argued to ignore the absolute and focus on the +143 rwhp you'd get.
The response was the Whipple had a higher delta, +170 rwhp, and a dyno chart to go with.
Your response was to highlight that Whipple's maximum [absolute] numbers were still lower than your dyno numbers.

Wait a minute, you started the argument by stating that it was all about the gain/delta. You ended the argument by effectively stating that Whipple's gain/delta might be higher, but the end number is lower, thus your SC is better.

Can't have it both ways. My beef has nothing to do with what SC is "better." I'm just looking for a consistent argument.

 

Wonderful post man.

 

The best S/C is the one under your hood! Now,Everybody take a deep breath, go out and wait for a HEMI to jump your butt...and enjoy the look on his face when you let him catch up!!!!

Everyone has their own needs and that is what its all about. I want a good safe tune and enough power to keep the other guys scratching their heads. I love the sleeper thing!

 

Hey rafa:
How are those Whipple dyno results doin now?

Had to poke....I am sure they will come around once they get that truck sorted out.

 

That is incredible but my FUC!@#$% front air shocks are still showing problems, i will get the truck back by next wednesday,(another weekend without the truck, fuc!@#$%), but as i mentioned before, the S/C is 100% but the ford tune is horrible, believe me or not, it cuts the fuel when the truck reaches 100mph and that is a pain if you have to dyno the truck. Anyways, i will try to dyno my truck next week and i will install a saleen fuel pump and 48 injectors, the truck will be tuned by Mike Troyer and i am expecting to get 430-450 with the same pressure 8psi. Unfortunately the Ford tune holds A LOT OF power, but Troyer will straighten that up.

 

For once we agree on one thing....I am sure the truck will make more power on a less conservative tune....but then you are risking the motor at that point. Whipple and Powerworks/Magna Charger spent allot of time and money to give the customer a turn key CARB exempt calibration. There is a reason for the fuel cut off at 100mph, once some idiot goes out and kills himself or god forbid someone else who do you think they are going to come after? I think Whipple and Powerworks/Magnuson did the right thing with that. I am sure the wick can be turned up quite a bit on the Powerworks/Magnuson system and the same results will be seen, its all in what you want.....daily driven reliability or a truck that could puke its guts out at any given time.......To each his own, I can hear the "parrot" chirping now

 

Hei Parrot , i want a "truck that could puke its guts out at any given time" because when that happens, i will just get the phone and say "Can i order a forged engine" !!!

 

Do you think it will kill us less when we crash at 99mph vs. 130mph?

I've got to agree with the side that Whipple, Magnusun and Roush take with the lower speed limiters, everything this day is up for grabs on a lawsuit... But what I don't understand is when I purchased a Diablo Delta Chip for my sport trac, the common thing to do was remove the speed limiter completely. What is the difference between that chip, and the supercharger when it comes to liability. Is Diablo just more willing to take a legal chance than the supercharger? Interesting that Ford has worked on all three of these types of superchargers, and they are probably the only ones that keep the stock speed limiter. Is this a Ford requirement that you guys are abiding too?

 

Yes, the FORD requirement is one aspect of it. If any of the chip/tuners want to remove the speed limiter, that is their choice. The speed limiter is there for a reason, and that will not change from any of the supercharger manufactures.

 

The real problem is critical driveshaft speed. I've actually witnessed a truck making a power run on a chassis dyno with the speed limiter removed. Let me tell ya, it gets interesting when the shaft starts to whirl and then pulls out on one end. If the front slip yoke pulls out, and you were on the road without safety loops, you'd find a new definition for pole vaulting and probably invent a whole new "Pucker Factor".If you want to remove the speed limiter you should have a driveshaft made that will handle the speeds you want to run and make sure that your running speed rated tires. For the last part, you want to make sure that your brakes are capable of stopping you. These 3 things should be taken into consideration before you decide to raise the speed limiter.

 

Wow, I never even thought of that as an issue....funny thing about that pucker factor, it will make you think twice! Good info, thanks

 

Did I miss something, or was this post just ignored? Just curious because I was thinking the same thing? Well? Ford?