dark_horse, maybe it's just me but you seem pretty hostile towards everyone on this board. Do you need a hug or something? For some reason I can just see every thread you join in getting locked. I know I should have just kept my mouth shut, but that's like the 5th one I've read tonight. Remember were all here to learn from one another not bring one another down. just my .02, let the locking proceed. And yes I know I should have taken it offline.

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i wish i could have giving you and all my customers the 90mm program on your superchip you purchased from me.i put many HARD and beat miles on my truck helping to develope a program for the 90mm, but then again thats another story which i'd rather forget all about..i do however have an Excellent 90mm program in the Diablo chip which is well worth the cost! i personaly understand what your saying about the 90mm program but my hands were tied..but now there not! so if i can help please call or e-mail me. and were happy you still have the ram air on.ive recieved many calls from others that they were told to throw it in the trash Ram air dosn't work.thanx...JL

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Sorry nix,

I'm an engineer so I'm trained to look for improvements.

If you take if as a negative attitude, fine.

As I see it, exploring issues that are first problematic and then simple…. need to be addressing problems!

I my own way I'm just trying to help.

Because there are so many lingering problems that most want addressed with this truck.

Personally I don't like your love and happy style, but that will not stop me from trying to help you whenever I can. Also I think by addressing me the way you did you are NOT my adversary either.

I don't even mine when persons berate me; I'm satisfied with knowing that I helped the other!

All that being said.

Some would say that I’m negative; some would say that I’m just trying to be honest, but in fact it just takes too much typing of every little issue to convey my heart felt thoughts and solutions.

 

Dark Horse, I'm really not sure what you are getting at. What are your specific questions concerning chips and hp numbers?

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Certainly nobody here is above learning. Now that I understand your approach maybe I can read your posts without steam coming out of my ears. No harm no foul. I'm just used to this board being a little on the lighter side ie:MRBBQMAN. BTW you never answered my question about why you don't have where your from on your sig. Not that it's important, at first I thought you might have been an old friend of mine.

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[This message has been edited by NIXSVT (edited 06-07-2001).]

 

LightningTuner,

When you and the rest advertise RWHP numbers are they street or fliped striped numbers?

Imagime this:

I go to the dyno and pull a 392 RWHP run.

So I post this on this forum, so exactly how did you(me) post this run?

Well I had a PSP dual flip chip and his air filter on!

Man you made 392 RWHP with just a chip and an air cleaner on(jl ram-air), no way!

Yes I did and this is how I did it;

a)chip in street mode
b)chip in strip mode, but pinging
c)chip in strip mode, with 103 O
d)chip in street mode with underpully, 90mm maf, headers, OBTB,
e)strip mode with d above


99 = 99-00
01 =01

a)99 = 355, 01 = 378
b)this is my question
c)this is my question
d)~ 370 - 390 RWHP
e)~ 370 - 400 RWHP WITH OUT dyno testing

thats all can you help me SAL understand how a stock 01 can pull 392 RWHP with only a chip and survive day in and day out traffic?

[This message has been edited by dark_horse (edited 06-07-2001).]

 

It's NOT Sal's responsibility to explain to you why seattlesnake made 392 rwhp. It was also on a Mustang Dyno (not the car, I mean the brand). They are notorious for producing #'s different than Dynojets.

Wait and see when seattlesnake gets back w/ his Dynojet #'s tomorrow.

Seattlesnake, do us all a favor and take a blank floppy disk w/ you and get your .pep files from the dyno operator. This way we can post them online and compare them in the winpep software.

BfB

 

First of all, dyno numbers will vary truck to truck. I hav seen dyno sheets of bone stock 99-00s that average 318hp and ones that average 365hp. Both done on a Dynojet, both done correctly, and by reputable people. Go figure. My own dyno experiance showed an average of about 318rwhp for a 99-00 truck. Numbers for the new 01s seems to show around 340rwhp. This is thanks to Fords leaner calibration. I have had trucks that were stock, maybe with just a filter kit, gian as much as 47rwhp on street chips, on 99-00 trucks. Since the 01s are already leaner, there's not as much to be gained from a chip, but about 30rwhp is the norm from a street chip. Either way that gets you around the 375rwhp mark. Things like electric fans, TBs, bigger MAFs, and other items free up some power. My truck made 410rwhp with simple bolt ons and Spiros truck made 404rwhp with even less bolt ons. Those numbers WERE using race fuel however.

There are many ways for companies to achieve high dyno numbers that look legit. Torque converter lock up, different measures of dyno numbers printed, shift spikes, and just plain lying, are easy ways to brag high numbers to get sales. I know the truth behind the numbers my competitors are using to sell thier products, and sure it pisses me off. I don't beleive in bogus numbers. That's why I always supply the dyno graphs to view when I make my posts. My numbers may look lower than my competitors, but that's because they are legit. My trucks don't run any slower with lower dyno numbers, so figure that one out .

Dyno numbers are becoming a huge sales tool, and unfortunately for the customer, it's hard to tell whats not bogus. I don't like to compare dyno runs from different trucks, in different parts of the country. Comparing dyno data on different brand dynos is even more usless. Even though the correction factor is supposed to make it a somewhat even playing field, it doesn't work like that. The best way to use a dyno, is to gather data on CHANGES made to the SAME vehicle, for tuning reasons. That's what they are good for. Hope this helps.

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I am scheduled for 5:00 (PST) today, so if I can get the sheets scanned tonight I will post the results, otherwise it will be available tomorrow.

Just for the record, I fully concede that the 392 (spike) was created at a shift point or converter lockup,, but never the less it was cool.
I don't however doubt the consistancy of the power curve after the spike which looked to be in the 380 range.

My mods do include a JL filter kit too which hasn't been aknowledged by some I.E. I am not just running with a chip alone.

Darkhorse, I too am an Engineer, but that doesn't mean that I don't try to have a little fun once and a while.

 

I keep hearing people mentioning thier filter kits when talking about dyno's. I could very well be wrong, but to me on a stationary dyno a Ram Air kit wouldn't do anything for you. Not at all trying to flame and please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

No matter if you have 350 Hp or 400 Hp, this is still serious power, especially at the rear wheels.

If you want to see an example of this, go out and put your foot to the floor and look in the rear view mirror. What do you see? Probably nothing, due to the clouds of tire smoke.

We should be proud of our acomplishments and our trucks. Add a mass air or chip amd pick-up 30-50 Hp. The normaly aspirated guys would kill for this kind of improvement.

Jusy my $.02

 

Well, if you guys thought my first set of numbers were strange.....

Either my truck is a total pig stock, or the Dynojet method isn't as accurate as everyone thinks.
Mine pulled 341hp and 418tq, but what was even more strange is that they have tested 3 other L's, a 2000, and two 99's, and they pulled like 330, and 327 respectively.

???

Oh well, theres no way my chip and filter have added only 18 horsepower to the wheels (assuming a stock truck makes 323 or 380 - .15(380))

My assometer alone tells me it's way more than that.

Anyone have any explainations?

http://www.seattlesnake.com/dynojet.jpg
http://www.seattlesnake.com/dynojet2.jpg
http://www.seattlesnake.com/dynojet3.jpg

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Seattlesnake, I agree that those numbers seem low. Funny thing is that Dynojets usually will show a higher number than a Mustang dyno. Compared to the 01s I've dynoed, that looks like a bone stock 01 graph. What you should have done, was pull the chip, made a baseline pull, then put the chip in and made a fresh pull. This way you would KNOW for sure what the chip did for you.

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seattlesnake, don't forget to get your pep files on floppy disk so we can also put them in our files to have. I collect them I can also make you a pep file to show online that's only about 10kb in size and easy to show.

BfB

 

How you drive your truck on the dyno makes a huge difference. I've posted this before, but here goes. When you bring the mph up on the dyno and you just break over the point that you know it won't down shift into 2nd gear, then you pause for a moment and then stand on the gas pedal as quick as you can.

I watched some guys bring the rpm up and then just keep pushing down on the gas pedal at a fairly slow rate. This resulted in torque numbers that where off by about 50 or 60 ftlb.
Just a thought
Dale