Am I going to jail ?
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From: San Antonio, TX, USA
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jay Lincoln:
If you haven't gon to jail by now, you probably won't. Advice, get a lawyer! You are going to have to pay either way. The laywer will charge you by the hour, but can get things reduced. If these weren't so serious, you could probably do it your self by dragging out the scheduling/trial process.
You probably have at least one misdemeanor in the "racing" ticket. Here in CA, "speed contest" as it is called is no longer an infraction, so it carries some stiff $$$.
Good Luck!
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If you haven't gon to jail by now, you probably won't. Advice, get a lawyer! You are going to have to pay either way. The laywer will charge you by the hour, but can get things reduced. If these weren't so serious, you could probably do it your self by dragging out the scheduling/trial process.
You probably have at least one misdemeanor in the "racing" ticket. Here in CA, "speed contest" as it is called is no longer an infraction, so it carries some stiff $$$.
Good Luck!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by skennett:
no way! i love my baby!
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no way! i love my baby!
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Move to FL where cops dont give a flying **** about speeding unless you're going too slow on 95 in the diamond lane. and when i say too slow I mean like 85 is slow for the pigs down here.
I fart in your general direction! HA!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AgentYellow:
Your sooooo SCREWED! Damn Steele... I knew you were a dumb *** but this takes the cake! You should know better than speed on 281N!!! ****in cops LOVE those little overpasses and airport bend.
Move to FL where cops dont give a flying **** about speeding unless you're going too slow on 95 in the diamond lane. and when i say too slow I mean like 85 is slow for the pigs down here.
I fart in your general direction! HA!</font>
Your sooooo SCREWED! Damn Steele... I knew you were a dumb *** but this takes the cake! You should know better than speed on 281N!!! ****in cops LOVE those little overpasses and airport bend.
Move to FL where cops dont give a flying **** about speeding unless you're going too slow on 95 in the diamond lane. and when i say too slow I mean like 85 is slow for the pigs down here.
I fart in your general direction! HA!</font>
You!... Off my planet!
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2001 Black L.
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When it rains, it pours for me! Through the months of February to April, I was nailed with 7, count them 7 tickets, in a time span of 2-1/2 months! The first and second tickets were 100kms in a 80, and 70kms in a 50. Then got nailed with my first tinted windows ticket 2 days after my last ticket. Then comes the biggy. I was out at the street races on the weekend, and decided to run this c o c k y punk kid in a white Civic, that was winning all the races. So I pull up to the line and did my burn out. We took off at the same time, but noticed he dropped back really quickly after 20ft, and pulled off onto another road. So I look back, and notice the cop van pulling up on my back end with cherries on. He didn't give me a racing ticket or speeding ticket since the guy pulled off right away, and I really didn't get a chance to break the speed limit. He did give me a careless driving and a stunting ticket though. 2 days after that, I get a 89 in a 70, along with my second tinted windows ticket!! So I hired a traffic ticket lawyer that is going to deal on the careless driving + stunting + last speeding ticket for $600(cdn). The total on the fines accumulating approximately $324(cdn), and there wasn't a fine given for the careless ticket. I've previously had a driving without undue careless driving charge which I fought and won due to the officer not mentioning anything about excessive speeding, or the fact that there was no traffic or excessive lane changing involved. And my one other charge was a stunting ticket with my 4x4, which I fought and won because for one I didn't spin my tires, and excessive acceleration with a stock 5000lb 4x4 is limited. That was reduced to a noise violation.
Hey LowRiderHD2000, ever check out the street races on 50th Ave in the southeast? Ever use the Pointts lawyer in town? I putting his kids through college, so he really likes me!
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Hey LowRiderHD2000, ever check out the street races on 50th Ave in the southeast? Ever use the Pointts lawyer in town? I putting his kids through college, so he really likes me!
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~'98 F-150 XLT Reg. Cab Flareside 4x4, Black, 5.4L, 3.55LS, tow package, 285/75/r16 Mud Terrain BFG's,K&N,WMS Velocity Tube, GTS headlight covers, Alpine changer w/FM mod, Clifford alarm system w/keyless entry & starter disable // Future considerations: Bed mat, tonneau cover, 4" suspension lift or 3" body lift.
~'71 F-100 Sport Custom Reg.Cab
-390FE w/Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, 780cfm Holley, ported & polished cylinder heads,
Hydraulic Crane Cam, 10.5:1 CR, Black Jack headers, true double roller timing chain, and high volume oil pump
-C6 transmision w/B&M 2600rpm stall
-9" Ford Rearend w/4.10 Richmond Gears & 31 spline axles
-215/65/r15 Yokohama's for the front & 28"x13.5"x15" Mickey Thompson ET Street slicks for the back, mounted on Centerline Auto Drag Lite II rims
Best 1/4 mile time @ 3500ft altitude 14.69secs @ 92mph
~2000 Suzuki RM125 Dirt Bike
-no need for any modifications! (yet)
~2001 Traxxas T-Maxx Nitro Monster Truck
Modifications: -180degree carb flip w/return spring installed
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Originally posted by powerlifter405:
That's nice to know that you don't follow proper training either. Geez, I'm beginning to think that 99% of all police officers don't anymore. Whether the person is a smartass or not, you should ticket him for what he was doing wrong, not for what you're trying to find on him because he's obviously pissed off your inner tempers.
Yet again you show us how fruitful you're thinking. First you tell us you'll ticket the hell out of us for not being courteous and treating you like a judge, but now you're advocating speeding and racing. Or are you doing that subliminally?
Amazing!
BfB
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">There is nothing more that I enjoy than pulling a smart *** over.
Your attitude will have a great degree of impact on whether or not you get cited and how many extras you can get.</font>
Your attitude will have a great degree of impact on whether or not you get cited and how many extras you can get.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Plenty of people race, but.
Don't drink and drive....
If you just have to race on a public road do so on an open one, so if you do crash you don't take anyone with you.</font>
Don't drink and drive....
If you just have to race on a public road do so on an open one, so if you do crash you don't take anyone with you.</font>
Amazing!
BfB
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Read this on another board. It is presented for informational purposes only. It is not my product. Utilize at your own risk. Good luck.
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COPS ARE CORPORATE EMPLOYEES AND NOT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
When a cop turns on his emergency lights and you stop and he asks you for your license and registration, and then writes a summons-ticket, executes it and demands your bond in the form of an agreement to appear, he is breaking a number of laws.
1. The turning on of lights means, an emergency is in effect. The cop wants you to think, he is stopping traffic and that you are the emergency. Where was the "emergency"? No where, of course. The cop just wanted to "traffic stop" you. The cop perpetrated a fraud. He deceived you into thinking there was an emergency and he impersonated an official on emergency business. The cop in reality is a Corpora Ficta employee and not a government employee at all. He has no powers of a government official at all.
There are TWO AND ONLY TWO lawfully excusable conditions for seizing property or Citizens: a) a warrant of the law or b) first-hand observation of a felony being committed. That is not just the law. That is constitutionally mandated. Then the cop asks you for License and Registration. He needs that from you to produce prima facie evidence of trafficking instead of traveling.
When the cop puts on the emergency lights to traffic stop you the cop is impersonating a government official on emergency business, when in fact he is a Corpora Ficta employee with no government powers and accuses you of trafficking instead of traveling if indeed you are not transporting people or property for hire or profit. You validate his claim of trafficking when you produce license and registration.
2. Cops are only authorized to enforce statute and ordinance NOT LAW. Statutes are passed by State of Corpora Fictas. Ordinances are passed by City of or Town of Corpora Fictas. Law is only the Constitution and Common Law. DMV is only a corporate Department in State of California Corpora Ficta. License and registration produces commercial connection/nexus to Corporate State of California. Your license and registration is a commercial agreement and not even a contract. If you are not involved in commercial activity you are exercising no privilege that must be licensed and registered. Licenses and registrations are only required for commercial activity. In the LAW you have the right to travel as part of your right to liberty and pursuit of happiness.
3. If the Cop decides you have broken the law or actually infracted a statute and he writes a ticket or summons to Municipal Court, the cop is now impersonating an officer of the court, which he clearly is not. He is impersonating a Judicial Officer. WHO IN ALL OF AMERICA CAN WRITE A SUMMONS TO A COURT UNLESS THEY ARE ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED TO SERVE IN A JUDICIAL *P U B L I C* - We the Peoples'- OFFICE? No one else may.
4. When the cop serves the summons he is impersonating a Sheriff. The Sheriff is a member of the executive branch of government. The cop has now just violated the separation of powers. No one person can serve in two branches of the government at the same time. WHO IN ALL OF AMERICA CAN EXECUTE (SERVE) A SUMMONS, OR COMPULSORY LEGAL PROCESS OF ANY OTHER NAME UNLESS THEY ARE ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED TO SERVE IN A SHERIFFS' OFFICE? No one may.
5. Now the cop demands your word that you will appear. The cop is demanding a BOND from you. WHO IN ALL OF AMERICA CAN TAKE A BOND -INCLUDING A "PROMISE TO APPEAR"- EXCEPT FOR A BAILIFF? No one else may!
6. We're not done yet with the cops' impersonation. The cop signs his "summons". In Connecticut, the "summons" has a line marked "officer". That is on a document that purports to come from a "Superior Court". In other states, such as California, the court is a municipal court and recently municipal courts have been absorbed into Superior Court which is a constititutional court. This is pure fraud. The cop is not an officer and the summons did not come from any court.
In summary cops in traffic stops are impersonating government officials on an emergency and you are the emergency, they try to get you to validate their fraud, they impersonate judicial officers, they impersonate being a Sheriff who is an executive officer, they violate the principal of separation of powers, they impersonate a court bailiff, by signing the false summons they violate for the second time impersonating a judicial officer. The entire summons is a total fraud because it is not a government document at all, it is a corporate document being issued to a private Citizen. If you do not produce your license and registration, you may be cited in addition for driving without a license and registration.
You have the right to revoke your promise to appear and send this to the officer, the police department and the court. Then you can appear specially instead of generally and demand retraction of the ticket with prejudice for all of the above reasons. The court will very likely go along with you and bury the court record because they do not want this in the public record.
This article can be boiled down to 1 page that you can offer a so-called traffic officer in lieu of handing over your license and registration. Hopefully the cop may decide to let you go instead of giving you a ticket. If you do not give your license and registration, the cop may elect to add no license or registration to ticket in addition to whatever. If he says show it or go to jail, offer it under protest without prejudice. Sign your ticket with SEE ATTACHED AFFIDAVIT AND STAPLE IT TO THE TICKET. This affidavit costs $25.00. $25.00 by online check. $25.00 e-gold Purchase of Notice to Police Officer. Notice to Police officer paid by credit card through PayPal $27.00. Or by payment (postal money order processed immediately, checks 15 day clearing period) through snail mail payable to KRC at 5595 E 7th Street #229; Long Beach, California (near 90804).
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[This message has been edited by Skyhawk (edited 05-15-2001).]
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COPS ARE CORPORATE EMPLOYEES AND NOT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
When a cop turns on his emergency lights and you stop and he asks you for your license and registration, and then writes a summons-ticket, executes it and demands your bond in the form of an agreement to appear, he is breaking a number of laws.
1. The turning on of lights means, an emergency is in effect. The cop wants you to think, he is stopping traffic and that you are the emergency. Where was the "emergency"? No where, of course. The cop just wanted to "traffic stop" you. The cop perpetrated a fraud. He deceived you into thinking there was an emergency and he impersonated an official on emergency business. The cop in reality is a Corpora Ficta employee and not a government employee at all. He has no powers of a government official at all.
There are TWO AND ONLY TWO lawfully excusable conditions for seizing property or Citizens: a) a warrant of the law or b) first-hand observation of a felony being committed. That is not just the law. That is constitutionally mandated. Then the cop asks you for License and Registration. He needs that from you to produce prima facie evidence of trafficking instead of traveling.
When the cop puts on the emergency lights to traffic stop you the cop is impersonating a government official on emergency business, when in fact he is a Corpora Ficta employee with no government powers and accuses you of trafficking instead of traveling if indeed you are not transporting people or property for hire or profit. You validate his claim of trafficking when you produce license and registration.
2. Cops are only authorized to enforce statute and ordinance NOT LAW. Statutes are passed by State of Corpora Fictas. Ordinances are passed by City of or Town of Corpora Fictas. Law is only the Constitution and Common Law. DMV is only a corporate Department in State of California Corpora Ficta. License and registration produces commercial connection/nexus to Corporate State of California. Your license and registration is a commercial agreement and not even a contract. If you are not involved in commercial activity you are exercising no privilege that must be licensed and registered. Licenses and registrations are only required for commercial activity. In the LAW you have the right to travel as part of your right to liberty and pursuit of happiness.
3. If the Cop decides you have broken the law or actually infracted a statute and he writes a ticket or summons to Municipal Court, the cop is now impersonating an officer of the court, which he clearly is not. He is impersonating a Judicial Officer. WHO IN ALL OF AMERICA CAN WRITE A SUMMONS TO A COURT UNLESS THEY ARE ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED TO SERVE IN A JUDICIAL *P U B L I C* - We the Peoples'- OFFICE? No one else may.
4. When the cop serves the summons he is impersonating a Sheriff. The Sheriff is a member of the executive branch of government. The cop has now just violated the separation of powers. No one person can serve in two branches of the government at the same time. WHO IN ALL OF AMERICA CAN EXECUTE (SERVE) A SUMMONS, OR COMPULSORY LEGAL PROCESS OF ANY OTHER NAME UNLESS THEY ARE ACTUALLY AUTHORIZED TO SERVE IN A SHERIFFS' OFFICE? No one may.
5. Now the cop demands your word that you will appear. The cop is demanding a BOND from you. WHO IN ALL OF AMERICA CAN TAKE A BOND -INCLUDING A "PROMISE TO APPEAR"- EXCEPT FOR A BAILIFF? No one else may!
6. We're not done yet with the cops' impersonation. The cop signs his "summons". In Connecticut, the "summons" has a line marked "officer". That is on a document that purports to come from a "Superior Court". In other states, such as California, the court is a municipal court and recently municipal courts have been absorbed into Superior Court which is a constititutional court. This is pure fraud. The cop is not an officer and the summons did not come from any court.
In summary cops in traffic stops are impersonating government officials on an emergency and you are the emergency, they try to get you to validate their fraud, they impersonate judicial officers, they impersonate being a Sheriff who is an executive officer, they violate the principal of separation of powers, they impersonate a court bailiff, by signing the false summons they violate for the second time impersonating a judicial officer. The entire summons is a total fraud because it is not a government document at all, it is a corporate document being issued to a private Citizen. If you do not produce your license and registration, you may be cited in addition for driving without a license and registration.
You have the right to revoke your promise to appear and send this to the officer, the police department and the court. Then you can appear specially instead of generally and demand retraction of the ticket with prejudice for all of the above reasons. The court will very likely go along with you and bury the court record because they do not want this in the public record.
This article can be boiled down to 1 page that you can offer a so-called traffic officer in lieu of handing over your license and registration. Hopefully the cop may decide to let you go instead of giving you a ticket. If you do not give your license and registration, the cop may elect to add no license or registration to ticket in addition to whatever. If he says show it or go to jail, offer it under protest without prejudice. Sign your ticket with SEE ATTACHED AFFIDAVIT AND STAPLE IT TO THE TICKET. This affidavit costs $25.00. $25.00 by online check. $25.00 e-gold Purchase of Notice to Police Officer. Notice to Police officer paid by credit card through PayPal $27.00. Or by payment (postal money order processed immediately, checks 15 day clearing period) through snail mail payable to KRC at 5595 E 7th Street #229; Long Beach, California (near 90804).
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Skyhawk
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Ease off on the cop. They're people too. We don't want cops to be proper little machines, or most of us would have a few more tickets than we already have, I bet. Pissing off a cop would be like pissing off a restaurant waiter who disappears to the back with your credit card at the end of the meal, or a server who appears out of a set of closed doors to bring you your food. Except when a cop is screwing you, you see it every step of the way and still can't do a thing about it.
I'm not saying that you should muzzle any legitimate dispute, but if you expect professional treatment from a cop, treat him like a professional.
I'm not too familiar with Texas traffic law, and of course, could not offer anything appraoching legal advice, but I doubt you'd go wrong by hiring an attorney. Unless you plan on pointing fingers at each other (a sure loser as far as courtroom strategy goes), maybe a single attorney can handle both very similar cases and you guys can split the bill, or at least negotiate a reduced fee. It goes without saying, of course, that an ethical lawyer may withdraw as counsel in one of the cases if he sees a conflict of interest, and ask for a continuance, or a delay.
As for delaying the case, what an earlier poster said is true. Size of the town matters alot. Some of the smaller ones will flat out refuse to reset your case for anything short of death (probably yours). Many cases, they pay a part-time magistrate or a judge for the day, and don't want to bring you back another day. And they'll more easily spot your delay tactic, which they probably won't take too kindly.
Bigger places, shoot... Hard to predict, but having a lawyer who can insist on proper procedures can lengthen the process somewhat. But nobody likes someone else playing the system. The case sounds pretty cut and dry. I'm not sure if solicitor (or equivalent) will prosecute this case, or this will be just left to the cop, but hopefully, it'll be a solicitor and your attorney can pre-try the case with him or her, and negotiate something. Don't have other info. Misdemeanors ain't my thing.
I'm not saying that you should muzzle any legitimate dispute, but if you expect professional treatment from a cop, treat him like a professional.
I'm not too familiar with Texas traffic law, and of course, could not offer anything appraoching legal advice, but I doubt you'd go wrong by hiring an attorney. Unless you plan on pointing fingers at each other (a sure loser as far as courtroom strategy goes), maybe a single attorney can handle both very similar cases and you guys can split the bill, or at least negotiate a reduced fee. It goes without saying, of course, that an ethical lawyer may withdraw as counsel in one of the cases if he sees a conflict of interest, and ask for a continuance, or a delay.
As for delaying the case, what an earlier poster said is true. Size of the town matters alot. Some of the smaller ones will flat out refuse to reset your case for anything short of death (probably yours). Many cases, they pay a part-time magistrate or a judge for the day, and don't want to bring you back another day. And they'll more easily spot your delay tactic, which they probably won't take too kindly.
Bigger places, shoot... Hard to predict, but having a lawyer who can insist on proper procedures can lengthen the process somewhat. But nobody likes someone else playing the system. The case sounds pretty cut and dry. I'm not sure if solicitor (or equivalent) will prosecute this case, or this will be just left to the cop, but hopefully, it'll be a solicitor and your attorney can pre-try the case with him or her, and negotiate something. Don't have other info. Misdemeanors ain't my thing.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skyhawk:
Read this on another board. It is presented for informational purposes only. It is not my product. Utilize at your own risk. Good luck. </font>
Read this on another board. It is presented for informational purposes only. It is not my product. Utilize at your own risk. Good luck. </font>
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Sign your ticket with SEE ATTACHED AFFIDAVIT AND STAPLE IT TO THE TICKET. This affidavit costs $25.00. $25.00 by online check. $25.00 e-gold Purchase of Notice to Police Officer. Notice to Police officer paid by credit card through PayPal $27.00.
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Sign your ticket with SEE ATTACHED AFFIDAVIT AND STAPLE IT TO THE TICKET. This affidavit costs $25.00. $25.00 by online check. $25.00 e-gold Purchase of Notice to Police Officer. Notice to Police officer paid by credit card through PayPal $27.00.
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Skyhawk,
That is one of the stupidest pieces of quasi-law I've read since I saw some crap floating around about the uncontstitutionality of the income tax.
I'll just happily hand over my license and registration and say "Yowsuh, yowsuh". I'll let YOU get arrested, detained and strip-searched.
LOL. You jailhouse-lawyer wannabes crack me up.
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That is one of the stupidest pieces of quasi-law I've read since I saw some crap floating around about the uncontstitutionality of the income tax.
I'll just happily hand over my license and registration and say "Yowsuh, yowsuh". I'll let YOU get arrested, detained and strip-searched.
LOL. You jailhouse-lawyer wannabes crack me up.
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Gordon
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From: Utah
skyhawk--
where did you find that piece of garbage? i certainly hope you didn't write it. may i also add that just because CA is screwed up (no offense to the CA folks--i lived there for about 15 yrs) doesn't mean the rest of the states are. don't try that kind of bull in UT. and i mean on the street with the cop OR in front of the judge. don't know a single cop who would fall for that line of BS, and i certainly would not insult the intelligence of the judge. you make either one annoyed with you and you can bet they will do what is necessary to help you see the error of your ways. (i just love taking people to jail for stupid arguments like that one. although i must confess my favorite is the "i'm in the federal witness protection program. if you arrest me you'll blow my cover!" yeah, and the ten outstanding arrest warrants must be for someone else, too, right?)
everyone else--
the only good suggestion on this board so far has been to get the advice of a competent atty. you may not get the citation dismissed, but you can certainly request the citation be reduced to a lesser charge, or have less points on your record, etc., which may be helpful to you down the road.
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where did you find that piece of garbage? i certainly hope you didn't write it. may i also add that just because CA is screwed up (no offense to the CA folks--i lived there for about 15 yrs) doesn't mean the rest of the states are. don't try that kind of bull in UT. and i mean on the street with the cop OR in front of the judge. don't know a single cop who would fall for that line of BS, and i certainly would not insult the intelligence of the judge. you make either one annoyed with you and you can bet they will do what is necessary to help you see the error of your ways. (i just love taking people to jail for stupid arguments like that one. although i must confess my favorite is the "i'm in the federal witness protection program. if you arrest me you'll blow my cover!" yeah, and the ten outstanding arrest warrants must be for someone else, too, right?)
everyone else--
the only good suggestion on this board so far has been to get the advice of a competent atty. you may not get the citation dismissed, but you can certainly request the citation be reduced to a lesser charge, or have less points on your record, etc., which may be helpful to you down the road.
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"flexible hips mean higher steps"
2001 F-150 Supercab XLT 4x4 5.4L Auto in Silver
optional equipment: carpet delete, tow package, power adjustable pedals, "man"ual 4wd shift lever, law enforcement scanner, CB w/PA, spray-in Speedliner, Streamlight Stinger, Graco infant car seat
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From: Calgay, Alberta, Canada
Fordification. Ya I used to live in the south so i was always in those races with my Camaro. Ya i think were splitting the points guys college bill. The cops in Calgary are really getting tough on drivers. There know seems to be a ticket for everything in this town. I cant believe all the bull**** you have to go through. Ya i agree we are breaking the law, but whats with the Stunting and Unduecare and attention. I've in total got 7 of those charges. I'm about to lose my license for the second tiome and i'm only 19. My friends have also all lost there license at least once. I can't believe this. It's time the cops stop paying for everything in ****in tickets. Down in the states do the police have a certain amount of tickets they must get each month. we do.
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Yes sir and no sir and generally treating a cop with the respect that his job demands for the most part, goes a long way to getting off with a warning. Sometimes with a smile, a have a nice day, and a BTW, nice truck.
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