Ok If you all remember. The upper Pully for 2 lbs boost gain it would over rev the blower. Whats stoping this from happining with the lower blower pulley changed?

 

Well, today is supposedly S day, but I called SVT and they say that their info is that the "fix" is not due out until next month.
And they told me that the best thing to do is to drain the reservoir and disconnect the coolant pump. Not sure whether to do that or just keep adding water. Anyway, looks like I will have to cancel the trip to Buttonwillow.

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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

'84 Alan Record Carbonio, Aerospoke wheels, Campy brakes.

'00 SVT Lightning, silver, built 2/9/00, #133 of 4966, G-tech Pro, JBA headers, 4.10 gears, Swanson chip, Pro-M, NGK plugs, carbon drive shaft, Roadmaster suspension kit, TransGo shift kit,
13.39 @ 102.5

2001 Kevlacat 2400, twin 115 Evinrude FICHT, Raytheon VHF, radar, autopilot and GPS chartplotter/fishfinder.
http://www.zing.com/album/?id=429389...4647875&idx=15

gmvye@pacbell.net

 

Damm, alphadoggy, thats sad news..PLs keep us posted.

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Ted O, Black 00 "L"
Superchip, PSP filter kit.
Roll & Lock bed cover
#4944 of 4966

 

As a matter of fact, KGM, I never got a recall notice on my Honda Civic (owned it 8 years) nor on my Nissan p/u (7 years before that). But I understand that mechanical perfection is rare, and the fact that Ford made a bad part does not unduly upset me. What does upset me is 1) Ford's refusal to acknowledge that there is a widespread problem (1%, my a$$), 2) their tardiness in coming out with a replacement that works (they have obviously known about the problem for 2 years), and 3) the ineptitude of most service departments in dealing with the problem (at first my service writer tried to tell me that the i/c reservoir is tied into the regular cooling system). My intercooler has been leaking for six months and I can't even get a definite date for getting it repaired, you think this is not a little upsetting?
And Cobra 99, I believe you are correct. Check out this thread: https://www.f150online.com/f150board...ML/001680.html
I find it rather amusing that the guy who originally posted the thread is apparently now in the business of selling overdrive pulleys. I just calculated that my 5600 rpm shift point is overreving the blower by 22 rpm. I intend to get the shift point lowered by 100 rpm, and if it costs me some power I'll have to make it up elsewhere; I don't want to frag my daily driver.




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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

'84 Alan Record Carbonio, Aerospoke wheels, Campy brakes.

'00 SVT Lightning, silver, built 2/9/00, #133 of 4966, G-tech Pro, JBA headers, 4.10 gears, Swanson chip, Pro-M, NGK plugs, carbon drive shaft, Roadmaster suspension kit, TransGo shift kit,
13.39 @ 102.5

2001 Kevlacat 2400, twin 115 Evinrude FICHT, Raytheon VHF, radar, autopilot and GPS chartplotter/fishfinder.
http://www.zing.com/album/?id=429389...4647875&idx=15

gmvye@pacbell.net

 

Remember what it says on the back of your truck, SVT, stands for Special Vehicle right? Expect to encounter special problems ok. Start adding chips, pulleys, etc. expect more problems, I don't know. Guys who sell the stuff will tell you whatever you want to here. If your truck breaks with any "extras" on it watch how fast they get pulled off and then you are looking for the dumbest service writer you can find to fix it. I don't here anyone bitching at Ford after they pull a "fast one" over on them. Like I said before lets be real here. Just a little disclaimer, I do run a chip, mod air box, and had my Honda recalled before.



[This message has been edited by KGM (edited 03-16-2001).]

 

I just got mine back from the dealer last Friday. It took 10 days to get my "emergency replacement". Hang tough!

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Red 00"
Pro-M mass air
Swanson Chip
*******'s bed cover

 

I'm glad I now understand how mimimal a "**** ant" leak of the intercooler is. It couldn't be too serious as you point out. It only called for replacement of the intercooler, supercharger, spark plugs, oxygen sensors, and might possibly have f--ked up the engine. It would be fun to experience with the warranty expired. Sounds like nothing to worry about to me. Ford must love attitudes like that!

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Sandy (Spider) Scott
Skydive69@msn.com
Apopka, Florida
99 White Lightning #2091 DOB 6-8-99
Airaid air box (S&B Filter) & Superchip
Kills:
Last 4 generation Mustang GT's (Including Cobra)
Audi S4
Dodge R/T
IROC Z

 

Yes it has happend to me. I would certainly expect a truck sold to a performance audience to be able to be chipped without it falling apart. The intercooler has nothing to do with chips and airboxes, it is simply a defective part, that is being handled (IMHO) very poorly, heretofore by Ford. As I find myself getting closer and closer to the dreaded end of warranty, I find myself thinking about my next purchase. I have had nothing but performance cars as long as I can remember - I do not recall opening the hood with trepidation everyday. I don't think I should have to. I guess, however, I am the bad guy for daring to chip my vehicle, and having the gaul to think that Ford will back me should something go wrong. I think I understand the program better now, and will not have such high expectations. I'm the bad guy.

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Sandy (Spider) Scott
Skydive69@msn.com
Apopka, Florida
99 White Lightning #2091 DOB 6-8-99
Airaid air box (S&B Filter) & Superchip
Kills:
Last 4 generation Mustang GT's (Including Cobra)
Audi S4
Dodge R/T
IROC Z

 

Hey..now wait a minute! Dogman is absolutely right! We do not have after the fact intercooler warranty issue concerns in writing! Valid point! Now I don't give a RATTS *** if the vehicle logos state SVT or YUGO. And yes, I am getting tired too of all the rhetoric on this issue. Its obvious at this time that Ford will probably sweep as much of this under the rug as possible. Ford should have issued a total recall as of this point in time. It is a niche market vehicle with many problems. I had a 1997 V-6 STX Red short bed with an automatic. From a consumer point of view it was a more reliable vehicle. I am also concerned with reliablity as I have has several problems. Clunk/Muffler System issues...its like yes..you can have a good service writer and get most if not all of the issues repaired...my concern is time waisted trying to do so. Enough said. And a fix? If indeed a reduction in CFM airflow through the induction system is apparent by a "fix" I am not interested. My belief is such that the 1999-2000 vehicles should have been brought up to 2001 standards! We have paid a very high price and Ford has made an exorbitant hefty profit on the Lightning. So far...what do we have???? SkyDive..my buddy at Ford states..when the intercooler starts leaking at say...74,000 on an extended...we will just blow the sucker up..LOL...yes..they will replace the whole engine if and when required...they do it here in Tejas! But again..the Lighting with all that intercooler whine...is just absolutely killer...I must be a gearhead.. All things that are fun..have their pros and cons...HELL JUST LOOK AT WOMEN..lol.... (marry me christy...sorry....lol) yeah right!




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Sandy...I'm very much in the same boat or should we say "L" as you. My truck has a chip and a sharpie mark on the IC tank. I know what you mean by every time you pop the hood the first thing you look at is the mark on the tank. It sucks to know that at any time your truck can fail. But what I don't get is the way some guys will mod the ***** out of their motors and them cry foul when it breaks. How the service writer is so dumb one day and so smart when he misses all the mods and warranties the truck. These are "special" trucks we drive, and it takes a little more understanding on our parts. What if Ford said you know what that blower idea was a bad one from the start, lets just drop the whole program. I know I'd be pissed cause I plan on getting a '02. Hey at least we know about the leak, what about the guy who just gets in and turns the key everyday and goes.

 

KGM,

I respect what you say. Yes, all makes have defective parts along the way. I blame Garrett for this leak. I also don't want Ford to discontinue building high performance machines. But, I blame Ford for the "clueless" attitude.

What bothers me about this is they obviously know about our problem, but fail to recognize and acknowledge it at most dealers and especially when you call in to SVT. Strange to me so many "replacement" intercoolers were made. Humm.

What bothers me the absolute most is the fact I can't afford to buy what will finally fix the sucker. According to JDM Performance, the cost of a TOTAL changeover to get it right is several thousand dollars. Nothing we have on the '99's and '00's matches up to the 01's improved parts!! This sucks badly, plain and simple. Maybe we should invest in Bars Leaks stock.

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Jim
Black '00
#1,757 built 3/30/00
Clear corners
JDM street program
JDM 2# blower pulley (ordered)
J.L. Stage II ram-air
FRPP Oval throttle body (ordered)
90mm MAF
MagnaFlow Exhaust

[This message has been edited by gforce (edited 03-16-2001).]

 

I am just as addicted to this truck as everybody else on this board is. But, mine has been to the dealership 9 times for quality control problems, including an engine swap. My wife's 2000 Honda Accord V-6 coupe purchased back in August has never been back to the dealership and I really don't expect it to. My last two Toyota trucks also never went back for service. It is possible to attain near perfection in a vehicle. I think Honda demonstrates this on a consistent basis. I'm just grateful my wife didn't buy a Mustang like she originally planned. I'm too old to be squeezing my 6'4 frame in little imports so I'm stuck buying trucks. I just wish Ford would take quality as seriously as Honda and Toyota.
Also, Lightnings don't have to be chipped to leak. Like Alphadoggy said, Ford has had plenty of time to demonstrate good faith and they have failed to do so. And we're going to start running out of time. I don't have a problem with something going wrong, occasionally. But when an IC goes bad every 8 to 10,000 miles that is more than I want to go to the dealership. Some people are just willing to put up with more than I am. Ford's continued denial of the problem is causing me to lose faith in them.

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Silver 2000 Built 5/26/00
#3299 of 4966
Bone Stock
SnugTop Tonneau Cover

 

That is well put. It's what I wanted to say but forgot to, as my post got lengthy.

I've owned nothing but GM's all my life. Never had a major, costly problem with any of them. This is my first Ford. And maybe my last. Not because of the truck - I can deal with a problem. What I can't deal with is LIARS! Plus, I don't have time to go back and forth to the incompetent service departments for F-up after F-up resulting from the unrelated, original problem. (Untightened bolts, pinched wiring etc.)

I'm done now. Ford - are you reading this stuff?? Do you care??



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Jim
Black '00
#1,757 built 3/30/00
Clear corners
JDM street program
JDM 2# blower pulley (ordered)
J.L. Stage II ram-air
FRPP Oval throttle body (ordered)
90mm MAF
MagnaFlow Exhaust

 

Sure, I have a chip, and I do not remove it when I take my truck to the dealer for service. If Ford is going to sell FMOS 4.10 gears which cannot be compensated for without a chip then I think they should have a reasonable expectation that some people are going to chip their truck. If Ford can show me a causal relationship between my chip and my leaky intercooler I will buy the new intercooler out of pocket. But under the Moss-Magnuson Act there has to be a demonstrable relationship between a mod and a failure, and I don't think Ford can show that. Too many trucks with no chip have had the i/c fail. On the other hand, if I install an overdrive pulley and nick the blower, or nitrous and burn a piston, I would have no one to blame but myself, and I would not expect Ford to pick up the tab. I am willing to give Ford a fair shake, but I don't think that's what we are getting from Ford.

 

There are a number of factors creating a situation like this:
1) There is always an audience willing to get the newest thing, proven or not.
2) If you admit guilt, in the sue-happy culture we are in, the bleeding would never stop.
3) There are time, space and money constraints on any design. To create a totally foolproof and tested solution, might take so long that the market has dissappeared.

The word "blame" is so ugly and uneccessary. I don't blame the designer for trying an experiment with a 2 year test period. BUT: it failed. They learned from it and now the 2001 is (hopefully) better.

I would like to see Ford being completely "high touch" with this; replace all the parts with their 2001 updated versions. I.e. RECALL.

Else this will create bad resale numbers down the line for all 99-00 L's.