Yes, they are Patriot heads...

 

So if they are Patriot heads, why don't other L owners with Patriot heads have the same oil consumption issue?

 

search some, u'll find their is issues....not saying the patriot machining isn't good but some component and assembly issues...i did read recently that they had fixed most of the problems they were having

 

I have read this entire thread and I completly agree with your comments JR and I also have done business with JL for 5 years now. I have been in the performance business myself for 10 years and I cannot compare the customer service of JLP to any other business that I can think of. They from my experience and from the beyond numerous times I've been to there shop for sometimes up to 12 hours (this isn't 12hours of problems) hearing how they handle other customers is 2nd to none. I do and will alway recommend anyone to JLP because of their service, professionalism and quailty. I personally work on Cobra's and Lightning as well as all other Mustangs and Johnny and Sue go out of their way to tune these vehicles and supply excellent parts day in and day out.

 

I agree with you both ! JLP Dave

 

First i would like to thank those that spoke rational with me about this situation and to the others, well you have your opinion and i respect that.
so in the open forums i would like to appoligze to JLP and John for putting up info that i dont belive was lies but misinterpratation of information by myself. this whole thing got way out of hand real fast and it didnt need to. i have spoken with my local builder and we went into a lot further detail about what happened and we have agreed that it was not JLP's workmanship that gave up on this motor. infact it looks like it help up kinda well for the situation it was in. considering anyway.
i have also been in contact with JL thru e-mail and i also appoligzed there and we were in agreement that this post should be made as to prove that we have smoothed things over to the public.
i hold no ill will to the man and never did, i just wanted info on how to fix my truck and i now have that info and my local builder to do it.
so this is done and over with and there needs to be no more threats of lawsuits or someone kicking *** one way or the other. my losses have been cut and this is over. hell i might even one day order something else from JL if he hasnt put me on one of those Post Office "Wanted" pin ups


oh one more thing
Fade, ill save you the trouble and put this on the other boards myself ;-)

 

I'm glad you got it straight with JL. It takes a real man to admit when he is wrong and a REAL MAN to admit it publicly so you have my utmost respect Mike.

In the end the facts are what matters. Helping spread the facts was no trouble at all. If you remember when this all started on SVTP I got in a heated argument on your behalf about what the problem might be.

In some way I'm shure that all involved have learned something from your experience, I know I have. I wish you all the best in the upcoming endeavors.

Bob

 

I have read the entire post to and have to disagree with the ones who tore the motor down to some degree.ring DO move an they can line up.If the motor is using that much oil it is diluting the fuel mix and leaning the motor out that way and if it ping or detonates it cause ring fluter with will make the gaps line up since the psi on the top of the piston is trying to get past the rings and finds the gaps.as the ring fluters the gaps move closer to one another and presto lined up.Look at the top of the cyl were the top ring seats and the distance down the cylinder to the second ring if their is any step between the 2 then that is what caused the rings to line up.Stan

 

You handled the misunderstanding/mixup/whatever you wanted to call it very well after that initial hickup glad to see you and JLP got things sorted out.

 

Re-read their note. They said the same thing.

 

Even if the compression ring gaps line up, the oil rings should not have, so it only should have slightly affected compression (in theory). The oil rings are the main thing that scrapes oil off the cylinder wall anyway, not compression rings.

I too believe the original poster lost/burned oil from valve guides to a point where the motor was starved of oil. Its a shame that Patriot let a set of heads go out that way. All of their heads (in my opinion) should have brand new guides and the best valve stem seals so this doesn't happen.

 

Mike, i want to thank you for clearing things up, i understand how up-set you are about this problem, and i would be too. I know it was hard for you to believe me when i said it was your heads causing your oil problems.I knew it was, because we did go thru those issues a few years ago.And we found it was the guides in the heads creating the oil issue.I do my best to be very fair and honest with everybody i deal with and you were no exception.Things got out of control very fast and they usally do on these forums.There are those who seem to think that i was out of line by taken this personal.I'm sorry they feel that way this is how i make my living and how i put food on our table so to speak.I have worked very hard for 5-6 years in the performance industries to build an Honest reputation. i just wish all the accurate facts were sorted out first. then none of this would have never happened.But as far as i'm concerned All is well and forgotten.I would like to offer you my help with your engine re-build if your interested..JLP will not make any kind of profit from this.we will gladly offer you the parts at our cost..again thank you for apoligizing like you have and i wish you nothing but the best with your new set-up.... JL

 

Now that's the way problems should be worked out! Good job guys.
We all know that in the performance world things go wrong. There are usually no guarantees. When a vendor offers additional work at no profit it shows how much they care.
Jim