Pro Turbo Kit
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From: Arkansas
Originally Posted by Tim Skelton
Sounds reasonable on its face, but here is a consideration.
Do turbos use a bypass? If not, then they will be heating the air all of the time, right? An air-to-water cooler is best where the heating is intermittent.
Dunno, just raising the issue.
Do turbos use a bypass? If not, then they will be heating the air all of the time, right? An air-to-water cooler is best where the heating is intermittent.
Dunno, just raising the issue.
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From: The People's Republic of Los Angeles
Originally Posted by ShockTherapy
They don't heat the air unless you are in boost. The air just flows through like normal until you get into boost and it starts getting compressed.
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From: O'Fallon, MO
Originally Posted by ShockTherapy
And that's the point I was making. You aren't going to find a cheap turbo kit if it's complete. PTK's price is not unreasonable. Try pricing a turbo kit for a C5 Corvette. Most of those are north of $10k.
Nissan 350z kits - around $5000-5500 for single turbo kits with intercooler or $5500-7000 for twin turbo kits. Those companies are going to sell 10x's the kits though, so they don't need to make so much a kit to recover R&D.
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From: illinois
Originally Posted by rmfreeze
Just curious, what would you sell the same kit for after you designed it, etc?
I think the majority of L owners probably won't take the time to research what parts are best, where to buy those parts for the best price possible, and take their trucks down for days/weeks for fabrication themselves (design, fitting, parts coated, etc). Some will. Most won't.
For those that do and say they did it for $3000 I am sure you are right. But you probably wouldn't sell the kit you designed without some type of markup. It's easy to enjoy the fruits of your labor knowing you saved money doing it all yourself but you spent considerable time - your time - in design and fabrication. For others, they might want to spend their time elsewhere (another project, a job that pays well, time with their family, etc) and pay someone else for the design and fabrication. It's up to the individual.
From what I've read on the various boards, I bet MANY people will pay $6000 for this kit and not bat an eye. $6000 isn't a lot compared to what some people have invested in these toys.
I think the majority of L owners probably won't take the time to research what parts are best, where to buy those parts for the best price possible, and take their trucks down for days/weeks for fabrication themselves (design, fitting, parts coated, etc). Some will. Most won't.
For those that do and say they did it for $3000 I am sure you are right. But you probably wouldn't sell the kit you designed without some type of markup. It's easy to enjoy the fruits of your labor knowing you saved money doing it all yourself but you spent considerable time - your time - in design and fabrication. For others, they might want to spend their time elsewhere (another project, a job that pays well, time with their family, etc) and pay someone else for the design and fabrication. It's up to the individual.
From what I've read on the various boards, I bet MANY people will pay $6000 for this kit and not bat an eye. $6000 isn't a lot compared to what some people have invested in these toys.
*edit* prices are still up in the air as well but they are goin to be looking for more of selling large quanity at a lower price so more people can afford than HUGE pricesESTIMATES are:
stage I 4000-4500
stage II 4500-5000
Twins 5500-6000 ALL PRECISION EQUIPMENT USED
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From: Somerset NJ
Originally Posted by Tim Skelton
How is the air bypassed from the compressor wheel? The hot side spins whenever gasses are flowing through, right? Doesn't that also mean that the compressor wheel is also always spinning?
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From: Arkansas
Originally Posted by monkeysL
i'm not getting ahead of the game but there is another kit in progress for the L, not exactly for sure when its goin to be complete. i have been working with two local turbo manufactures on designing it. i figured i would use my non running sitting in the garage collecting dust L for something good! plan is to have it up and running by L fest and be there with some parts. three kits and maybe four versions all based off the same kit, stage I for stock blocks, stage II for built guys, STILL UP IN THE AIR stage III air-to-air, and a TT kit. stage I kit will be able to be upgraded at any time to II as well...like i said i don't want a IN TWO WEEKS thing goin on but its in progress.
*edit* prices are still up in the air as well but they are goin to be looking for more of selling large quanity at a lower price so more people can afford than HUGE pricesESTIMATES are:
stage I 4000-4500
stage II 4500-5000
Twins 5500-6000 ALL PRECISION EQUIPMENT USED
*edit* prices are still up in the air as well but they are goin to be looking for more of selling large quanity at a lower price so more people can afford than HUGE pricesESTIMATES are:
stage I 4000-4500
stage II 4500-5000
Twins 5500-6000 ALL PRECISION EQUIPMENT USED
Sweet. Can you let us know what brand and model wastegates, BOV's, and boost controllers will be used?
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From: Arkansas
Originally Posted by Tim Skelton
How is the air bypassed from the compressor wheel? The hot side spins whenever gasses are flowing through, right? Doesn't that also mean that the compressor wheel is also always spinning?
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From: houston, tx
Originally Posted by jarmstro
A N/A cam and blower cam are different from a turbo cam. Has something to do with the valves opening differently with a blower cam.
Tim,
the bypass on the turbo is the wastegate. it serves two functions, it is open under part throttle to allow exhaust to bypass the turbine wheel and spin the compressor at very low rpms. it also regulates the boost level. with wastegate set to 8 psi, it begins to crack open at 8 psi to maintain that boost level, instead of the turbine rpm continuously climbing out of control.
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From: Wilton, Ca.
Spoke with Dalton this morning. He's sending me some pics of the kit and individual components. The pic on the main page is not Sal's truck, it is the kit. They are using the stock upper to keep the egr, etc. all in the stock location. Of course a C&L upper, or JLP sheetmetal intake could be used, but since it's now on the pressure side the restriction of the stock intake is not nearly as important.
The exhaust side will hook up to the factory or aftermarket catbacks and has no cats. I'll be adding a couple of high flow cats to mine.
I'll post pics up as soon as he sends them.
Jody
The exhaust side will hook up to the factory or aftermarket catbacks and has no cats. I'll be adding a couple of high flow cats to mine.
I'll post pics up as soon as he sends them.
Jody
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From: Alabama
Originally Posted by camcojb
Spoke with Dalton this morning. He's sending me some pics of the kit and individual components.
I'll post pics up as soon as he sends them.
Jody
I'll post pics up as soon as he sends them.
Jody
Awesome Jody...keep us updated.
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From: Portland, Oregon. USA
Originally Posted by ShockTherapy
The compressor wheel is always spinning, but the air is only heated when it's compressed. Think of the comp wheel as a ceiling fan when it's not in boost, it's just moving the air, not heating it. The heat is a by-product of the air's compression during boost.