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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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to Jim/Shawn for helping out a Lightning owner
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by 1BADBOLT
If James and JE both knew prior that the cage wasnt legal, why wasnt it fixed prior?
It isn't about that, it's about that low life, illiterate scumbag JR. That just makes RR guilty by association.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by LIGHTNINROD
A new developement:

"JE was sold out then bailed out
As you may,or may not know,one of our own BOLT brothers was sold out by a poser brother at FFW in Gainesville. JDM heard the news that ran through the pit area like wildfire. Jim went to bat for JE with track officials and used his influence to keep JE active in the event. Jim protected JE from the officials and offered his support to Ron,burning new chips and having Sean assist Ron in the pit.

Jim,I appreciate that you stood up for JE under such bad circumstances and helped him when he was alone.

Mark"

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Let me make sure I have this straight, that little rat ******* JR went to the officials and told them that JE's cage wasn't legal? And this is the cage that was put in by Race Related? Isn't Race Related owned or at the very least funded by JR? If it's true that JR ratted JE out than that's got to be one of the most chicken ***** things I've heard in a long time. Everyone knows JR is a lying little dumb ***** but that's the lowest of the low. What's even more stupid is that JR has now outed Race Related, a shop that he highly recommends and is part owner of, as a shop that doesn't do quality work. How much more work will Race Related be getting from the SVT guys now JR?

JR must have really been *****ting himself over the fact that JE was going to post times that would prove to everyone once and for all that JR wouldn't be able to touch him with the Cobra.

If this is true JR, it was a pretty chicken ***** thing to do an you are way more worthless than I ever thought.
First off, thanks to all for the morale support, and a special thanks to Jim and Sean. Jim went to bat with the track officials and since I could not run the chip I had without nitrous because the 42# injectors were causing a real bad lean condition, burned a special chip for me to use which did the deed. That chip gave me a new best without nitrous of 12.000 at over 111mph in 90 degree temps. this makes me think the 11's without nitrous is going to happen. Jim took my flip chip and is reburning it with the same program on the street side and a race side for use with a 150 shot. Thanks to Sean for helping save my aching back by even mounting my slicks for me, (I didn't even ask him to) that goes above and beyond, THANKS.
As for which is faster JR's Cobra vs JE's Lightning well the numbers this weekend show that JR owes me a dinner. Even with Jim driving JR's Cobra a 11.80 beats a 11.97. Also a 12,000 without nitrous, beats JR's best of 12.4

Now for JR's ownership in Race Related... not at all. To hear JR tell it he owns half the business in Clearwater. I was told there isn't a restaurant in that town to eat in that he doesn't own a piece of. Spending money in a place doesn't constitute ownership. There have been a few times where JR has bartered much needed cash for services which James fulfilled his end of the bargain only to have JR place little value on those services requiring James to give him back most of the cash.
If JR ever gave you advice or a can of soda, in his mind he owns you, which coming from JR is harmless except if you start believing it and God knows why would you.
James has offered to make the roll bar right and he knows I want to run in Virginia at the end of the month and he'll have me ready. James is a great mechanic and engine builder not a roll bar fabricator, and he made a mistake which he said he'd correct. Lets see how he handles this before bashing him.

JR... enough can't be said and 99% not good. He earned the 1% by apologizing to me for causing me all this trouble. I just want to go on my way making my truck go as fast as I can and I hope JR knows enough not to stand in front or behind my truck with me behind the wheel.

Thanks, everyone for your support.
JE
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Grey03
Rules are Rules dude. Abide by them or be gone.

The rules are setup for your safety as well as the safety of others. When rules arent followed, innocent people can get hurt or even killed.

There are alot more illegal high dollar cages out there, so I am sure this is only the start.


SHMF FY
What's he going to do, call a code red on me?
Why is it always the guys that will never reach the need for a rule like this who get holier than thou about them.
JE
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 07:39 PM
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I am with you JE. Some people need to get off their high horses before they fall off and break their neck.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 08:03 PM
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JE,

2 thumbs up on your response to this.

I think you handled it very well

Doug
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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I have to agree with JJ on this one. I supposed to have a cage and don't have one. When I have a cage installed it will be according to specs. The only reason why I will complain if I get kicked out of an event due to not having a cage is why others can run with unapproved axles and flexplates and no overflow tanks for the engine cooling system...
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by easterisland
I have to agree with JJ on this one. I supposed to have a cage and don't have one. When I have a cage installed it will be according to specs. The only reason why I will complain if I get kicked out of an event due to not having a cage is why others can run with unapproved axles and flexplates and no overflow tanks for the engine cooling system...
Who?

Ya'll keep believing what you want, but you are gettting warmer.

any other guesses?


Cool to see everyone getting into the hidden message thing thou

YSDKWIA AYNW

Ja
 
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Old Jun 9, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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JE
Glad to see you made it home alright. I may go to Virginia if I get my blower back in time. I'll email you next week sometime. Thanks for the ride to the motel and back.
Mike
 
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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 09:42 AM
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It's good to see that it's being worked out a fixed. Though I do have some misgivings about a vendor using his status to allow an illegally modified vehicle to run when it shouldn't. No offense to you, but have the shop fix it, then take it out for a run. New e/ts can always wait, but if there's an accident on the track, it's not worth having doubts in your equipment just to run the truck right then and there. Good luck!
 
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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Brian Baskin
It's good to see that it's being worked out a fixed. Though I do have some misgivings about a vendor using his status to allow an illegally modified vehicle to run when it shouldn't. No offense to you, but have the shop fix it, then take it out for a run. New e/ts can always wait, but if there's an accident on the track, it's not worth having doubts in your equipment just to run the truck right then and there. Good luck!
First off, Jim used his influence only to assure the track officials that I would not use the nitrous which would give me a 11 second run. The track officials also told me that if I hit the 11's they would band me from running any FFW event which he told them they can't do if I get the roll bar fixed. It was close, I did a 12.000.

The roll bar infraction was minor since it would be legal in a Mustang going a whole lot faster. A roll bar does not present a safety issue to others or put anyone but me at risk. A roll bar can in no way prevent accident from happening The way the roll bar was installed kept the truck street-able and did provide for my safety.
I would say running close to 400 hp down the track on F1's a bigger safety issue to all, but they have not one rule preventing that and I for one wish they did.
JE
 
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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 10:53 AM
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Thanks for clarifying, JE. It looked like they were letting you run into the 11s with a non-spec rollbar at first. I know that the driver would be the only person affected, but many of the rules were made to protect the drivers from themselves I guess in this day and age where lawsuits abound, it would only take one fatal accident, then the spouse sues the track for letting the person run with illegal equipment.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Brian Baskin
Thanks for clarifying, JE. It looked like they were letting you run into the 11s with a non-spec rollbar at first. I know that the driver would be the only person affected, but many of the rules were made to protect the drivers from themselves I guess in this day and age where lawsuits abound, it would only take one fatal accident, then the spouse sues the track for letting the person run with illegal equipment.
Not correct.... either you do not spend much time at the track(s) or do not read the disclaimer you must sign before you can even get into the gate at your local drag strip.

You sign your life away once you enter the track to race. In addition I'm not aware of any law suites that occur if a race car blows up or goes into the crowd due to unforeseen problem or illegal equipment and causes death or injury.
 

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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by jarmstro
Not correct.... either you do not spend much time at the track(s) or do not read the disclaimer you must sign before you can even get into the gate at your local drag strip.

You sign your life away once you enter the track to race. In addition I'm not aware of any law suites that occur if a race car blows up or goes into the crowd due to unforeseen problem or illegal equipment and causes death or injury.
Lawsuits don't naturally have to suceed. Eventhough we sign a disclaimer disvolving tracks from liability, suits can be filed. They'll be thrown out in court, but they can be used to negatively publicise a track to hurt business or affect that track's status with NHRA/FFW/etc, by showing that it's run by a bunch of slack-jawed yokels. Even without a lawsuit, just the fact, or rumor, that a certain track is letting people in without true tech is enough to change the type of attendance. Serious racers may go elsewhere, worried that they'll be lined up against someone with a half-assed vehicle. And those with half-assed vehicles would find a new home there, knowing they can throw a car together and not get hassled over it. So there are still many negative aspects that can still result from the incident.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2003 | 07:19 PM
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I was at the Orlando FFW race last year Where Steve Grebeck died .. I talked to lots of people that never signed a release there. I wonder if Steve did ....
 
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