All I know is if I wanted DRAMA I would watch a soap....or something

I think things went down hill because of the whole idea of supporting vendors...it shouldnt have but it did. We used to not have any problems prior to all that being setup. I dont understand why it has made such a difference...but I also dont want to listen to it explained...its just boring to hear these days

 

I'm sure Doug and the webmaster know these numbers better then I can guess, but I bet 2 years ago there was 1/2 the people. Lets face it, human nature says if you have more than one person, you might get an arguement.

We now have some new rules that were crafted to be clear, but seem ambiguous in important areas. It also would seem that supporting vendors are exempt from the rules at times.

If you want to see the Lightning forum of 2 years ago, check out the Harley forum on this site. Rarely does any post get personal or turn to "bashing". They even inforced obvious post padding a few months ago. The guy was suspended for about 10 days and when he came back he had a different additude.

I guess I didn't really have a point. The after lunch carb rush just got to me head...

-Mark

 

very true

 

Sal,

Please don't misunderstand, absolutely NOTHING from my post was intended to malign you or the comments you made. In this thread, somebody made note of the deleted post and mis-stated the content. You did validate that this person existed. You also stated (perhaps not in these words) that you could not verify the truth about his claim about JDM. The poster in this thread made it sound like you verified the claim in your post. You did not, thus the clarification. My post in this thread was meant to clarify the content of the thread that was removed.

Regarding who is "telling the truth" or who "gets the last word." Based on the history of this site, I believe that we have the responsibility to give Supporting Vendors the benefit of the doubt over a user that makes a single negative post. I will afford that respect and courtesy to any and all SV's on this site. We all know that stories have been fabricated about every vendor on this forum at some point in time. We have to play the odds. And in this case I believe I did the right thing.

Now...let's try to get this back on topic...

 

Did I miss something here ???
All I saw was a post from a new member to this Forum stating that he lost 5 grand (or something) to JDM one in a half years ago. He gave his real name and stated his case.
Then I saw a response from Jim @ JDM saying they don't know this guy, and they never sold that name a motor, and the prices don't even match up to any motor combo they do sell.
With that info all I could do was say to myself, Oh this is BS and the new guys lieing. Your right Sal and everyone else, a 1 post member doesn't mean he's lieing, and if this story is true then let me go on record right now to apologize and say I WAS WRONG. But without me seeing any other replys all I can conclude is it was a lie, if thats wrong and the truth can not be told in these post, THEN WE GOT A HUGE PROBLEM HERE.
That would mean we're protecting certain people "or Vendors"
Hmmmmmmmmm ?????
Is there more to this story ??

 

Not a problem Steve. I didn't take your comments that way. I just wanted to make it clear that I was just trying to talk about some gray area things about the new rules, and not trying to degrade the board or start problems.

 

And I agree that I was saying something that was a stretch, but was just hearsay. Sal could verify the person, but even if the person told Sal the same story, it didn't make it true or false. So I take back that comment.

 

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French,
> anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle
> finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it
> would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be
> incapable of fighting in the future.
>
> This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree,
> and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or
> "pluck yew").
>
> Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a
> major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at
> the defeated French, saying,
> "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"
>
> Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around
> this symbolic gesture.
>
> Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like "pleasant
> mother pheasant plucker," which is who you had to go to for the feathers
> used on the arrows for the longbow), the difficult consonant cluster at
> the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F', and
> thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute are
> mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It
> is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic
> gesture is known as "giving the bird".
>
> And yew all thought yew knew everything
>
> HAVE A GREAT DAY!

Just thought I would lightnin things up a bit.

Jerry
>

 

seems like the biggest complaint from most is the charging the credit card before product is shipped. as a business owner i can understand because sometimes people back out and if it is a custom made product you are screwed. As a consumer, if my creidt card showed up with a charge fo rsomething i have not received i call the credit card company and make them aware of it and tell them i will not be paying that charge until i have product in hand. dont know if he takes amex but they are very good about protecting the consumer.

the story may be true, an order number, shipping number, and the fact that he SENT IT BACK, then waited another 8 months months to complain here seems strange. however he could just be a very trusting mild mannered guy. could you imagine how mad you would be making payment on a truck, for over 18 months , that dosent run. my first post would have had a little attitude.

I am sure there are some great people to do business with here, but if you give anyone a credit card and pay the credit card company without product in hand or without calling the credit card company, you will lose some money sooner or latter. there should be a DEPOSIT amount on a product that is not refundable unless the product is damaged or a certain amount of time elapses. a PDF file could be e-mailed agreeing to a contract for the deposit and the deposit amount could range from 30% to 60% everyone has insentive to complete the deal and everyone has a little something invested.

 

jerry that was funny, HAHAHAHAHA.

 

How can you consider it BS when I was following the rules of this board and did not send a reply. I'm sorry not to post more but i don't have much time to spend on the computer. Also I am not a liar and i have much better things to do with my time than to completly make up a story like this. What I wrote really happened to me and is completly true. I do have shipping receipts and I also put the motor pluse many other things i had ordered before that like lower blower pulley, electric fan, 90mm mase air meter, and transmissin shift kit on a credit card. So you see theres no way he dosn't have me on file. and about the price of the motor I didn't know how much they cost, $4700 is what i was told for what i wanted, it sure as hell sounded like a lot to me. Also I talked to Jim personally on the phone on numerous ocasions about this subject he does know who I am.

To everyone else this seems like bashing but to me it's the truth. I'm also sorry to bring controversy on this difficult subject of vb. I came here to tell everyone about my bad experience with JDM because I wish somebody would have warned me and now i'm being called a liar. I Know I've only post here twice but way am I the liar? If you still don't believe me give me your email, i will talk to you on the computer or the plone.

As for this subject I will not talk about it any more on the board because I'm tired of being bashed

 

Like I said in my second post, it seems there were things deleted I never got to read. I gave an opinion on what I was allowed to see, and it wasn't right. You have my personal apology right now Michael. I wish I could have heard the whole story and I'm totally sorry for whatever happen. I can't imagine life without my Lightning and I'm sure you have been through hell here.

 

If I posted with my real name, and said I had trouble with ABC not sending parts, not returning money, and so on, only one person may know who I am.

In Mr Michael Jarrell first post, he never said that he never posted here before. Mr Jarrell could have been on here from 1999 with 5000 posts.

He did post later and said that was his first post here.



Steve does let people post about dealers that are trouble.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...threadid=18798

With no response from the dealers.

 

Considering the current negative climate of the this forum and the number of anti-JDM posts that come from every angle, when a poster comes on and his/her first post happens to be to negative towards one specific vendor just hours after I posted our resolution, and that post generates more than 400 views within 1 hour of it being posted, then we have every right to be suspicious or should keep an eye on it.

I NEVER once called this post BS, nor did I question the person's identity or claim. What I did do is give the SV an opportunity to respond free from the posts that added no value to the original thread. I removed all posts that had no relevance to the original post (with the exception of what is noted earlier in this thread). I gave the Supporting Vendor the opportunity to respond to the post, he responded. The thread was closed. The important content is still in tact. None of the poster information was edited.

Those of you that have a bias against JDM (ironically many of you who accuse Doug and I of having a bias towards JDM) probably think that I should have kept it open so more people could add worthless "me-too" posts or so the original poster could re-state his claim, then so the SV could restate his claim?

In more cases than not, the SV WILL get the benefit of the doubt. It is now time for these two parties to work things out OFFLINE as whatever the truth may be does NOT involve the 35,000 members of this site. I fail to see why it even merits more discussion from those that it simply does not involve in any way, shape or form.

 

Michael Jarrell,

The post you made is of GREAT concern to many of us on this forum. At this point all anyone has to go on is one persons word against the other.

You say you have a copy of the shipping receipt. Scan it and post it. You say you paid with credit cards....scan the receipt and post it. Of course black out your card numbers and identifying info if you want.

I'm not calling you a liar or Jim a liar. I read that your concern was to keep others from trouble. By posting the proof you will do just that.

I do appreciate your posting the problem, but as you can see, we need proof.

Sincerely,

Rocks