Global Warming?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Who said clouds causes global warming??? Certainly not me! I used clouds as an example of how IR is reflected back to the earth in a tangible (easily experienced) way.
Geeze... Some folks should learn how to read!
Geeze... Some folks should learn how to read!
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From: Copple Crown Mountain NH
Dennis I don't need to tell you that your on the money with some of yor posts especially when it comes to volcanoes affecting local temperatures.
Yes I do drive a truck but as well do try to make an effort to preserve the earth, hypocritical, in some peoples eyes yes. To think that the human race is not harming the planet is truly to be ignorant of our damage. To twist the subject a bit, has anyone seen the pictures taken from the space shuttle showing the loss of the rain forest over the years?
Yes I do drive a truck but as well do try to make an effort to preserve the earth, hypocritical, in some peoples eyes yes. To think that the human race is not harming the planet is truly to be ignorant of our damage. To twist the subject a bit, has anyone seen the pictures taken from the space shuttle showing the loss of the rain forest over the years?
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Originally posted by RTWINGER
Dennis,
I was fastinated by your work on the side of the volcano for several years. I wanted to see some of the other enlightened entries you have made and was fastinated by all the things you have done for several years and still managed to retire early. I would like to ask one question, were you ever married to Shirley Mclain in any of these lives?
Dennis,
I was fastinated by your work on the side of the volcano for several years. I wanted to see some of the other enlightened entries you have made and was fastinated by all the things you have done for several years and still managed to retire early. I would like to ask one question, were you ever married to Shirley Mclain in any of these lives?
<Rant Caused by recovery from pneumonia removed>
Suffice it to say, I'm fairly well educated (two BS degrees and a bit of post graduate work) when compared to the average person, having been exposed to members of the scientific community since I was in grade school.
I've experienced a lot in my short time on earth. Probably more than many others. I have never lost my thirst for knowledge and my curiousity drives me to find the answers to many things that interest me.
I can't help it if I indulge myself in making the best of the learning processes.
As far as volcanoes go, I have known several through my long time friendship with a past Superintendant of the Volcanoe's National Park in Hawaii.
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I should mention that I drive the heaviest F-150 made that struggles to get 12 mpg.
Thing is, I don't drive much. I put an average of 6,000 miles on the truck a year. I don't have to fill up the tank for 3 weeks. My water is heated by the sun 99% of the year. Most of my lights use efficient flourescent tubes. I use less than 2,000 kwh of electricity a month and burn about 25 gallons of propane a year.
How does that compare with the rest of you?
Thing is, I don't drive much. I put an average of 6,000 miles on the truck a year. I don't have to fill up the tank for 3 weeks. My water is heated by the sun 99% of the year. Most of my lights use efficient flourescent tubes. I use less than 2,000 kwh of electricity a month and burn about 25 gallons of propane a year.
How does that compare with the rest of you?
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From: DeLand, FL
Re: Volcanoes Cause Global Warming? Says Who?
Originally posted by Dennis
I challenge you to prove your theory that volcanic eruptions causes global warming. I challenge you to prove that gasses and particulates emitted from volcanoes causes global warming.
If you know anything at all about eruptions, you'd know that you are misinformed and you are misinforming others here about volcanoes.
I challenge you to prove your theory that volcanic eruptions causes global warming. I challenge you to prove that gasses and particulates emitted from volcanoes causes global warming.
If you know anything at all about eruptions, you'd know that you are misinformed and you are misinforming others here about volcanoes.
If you knew anything about scientific theory, you'd keep your pie-hole shut, and stop misinforming people here that there is a definitive confirmation of the major causes of global warming. Here's a little something that's easily found on the net to help your rambling, arrogant, a$$ realize that just because you say something or hold a belief based on THEORY, it isn't fact....
"Carbon dioxide is constantly produced and consumed by both natural and anthropogenic (resulting from actions of mankind) forces. Natural production of CO2 is 29 times that produced by humans (anthropogenic) through burning of fossil fuels and forest clearing.[12] Fire, volcanic activity, insect and animal life and plant decay are among the major natural sources of carbon dioxide. The most significant contributor to anthropogenic CO2 is fossil fuel burning, which accounts for about 75% of the anthropogenic total with the remainder likely due to deforestation.[13] One of the largest producers of CO2 "may well be termites, whose digestive activities are responsible for about ... 10 times ... the present [1990] world production of CO2 from burning fossil fuel."[14]"
All bow to Dennis, leader of himself, master of nothing...
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From: DeLand, FL
Originally posted by Dennis
Do you really want to be bored? I've always had an interest in things scientific, electronic, and mechanical. When I was in the 5th grade, I had already built an arc furnace using carbon (graphite) rods I salvaged from a couple of old 1.5 V iginition batteries my teacher gave me. Mom put her foot down when I wanted to hook it up to the 240V line instead of the 120V line. My father was all for the higher voltage, though. We tried hooking up to a variac, but it couldn't handle the load. Bummer. Thought we could get a bigger arc while still satisfying my mom's edict. BLAH BLAH BLAH, ETC. ETC. ETC.
Do you really want to be bored? I've always had an interest in things scientific, electronic, and mechanical. When I was in the 5th grade, I had already built an arc furnace using carbon (graphite) rods I salvaged from a couple of old 1.5 V iginition batteries my teacher gave me. Mom put her foot down when I wanted to hook it up to the 240V line instead of the 120V line. My father was all for the higher voltage, though. We tried hooking up to a variac, but it couldn't handle the load. Bummer. Thought we could get a bigger arc while still satisfying my mom's edict. BLAH BLAH BLAH, ETC. ETC. ETC.
Real bada$$es are just that, real bada$$es....For some reason I don't think a real bada$$ needs to fill his ego on-line talking about his mental and material prowess.....
Again, all bow to Dennis, leader of himself, master of nothing....
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From: DeLand, FL
Re: Geographically speaking...
Originally posted by trapper
I understand your thinking jay. There is new data
coming out now that supports the idea that the earth
is actually "healing" itself, that the hole in our ozone
is shrinking. Some say this supports the fact the all
this global warming is part of a large cycle the earth
naturally goes through. I just personally don't believe
that.
I understand your thinking jay. There is new data
coming out now that supports the idea that the earth
is actually "healing" itself, that the hole in our ozone
is shrinking. Some say this supports the fact the all
this global warming is part of a large cycle the earth
naturally goes through. I just personally don't believe
that.
Although I disagree with your disagreement, I will have to say that I do appreciate constructive disagreement. Why is it that such disagreement is so much more tolerable than Dennis'? Perhaps it's because you readily admit that there is scientific data out there supporting differing theories, some people believe this while others believe that, and you personally have an opinion about something. Dennis likes to pretend like his position is "THE ANSWER"....
I tell you, I'm still smarting over his demand that 01 "PROVE" his theory, when at the same time Dennis is basing his position off of a theory that he can't prove....what a retard....
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From: NH
Dennis:
Posted by 01 XLT Sport:
"The earth cleans itself. Most people may not know this, but way back, hundreds if not millions of years ago there were ALOT more vacanoes (sp?) errupting and spewing toxics into the air prior to humans driving cars, grilling steaks, and using hairspray and guess what we are still here, still breathing, still walking upright and thanks to ALgore we are able to use the internet.”
Posted by Dennis:
"I challenge you to prove your theory that volcanic eruptions causes global warming. I challenge you to prove that gasses and particulates emitted from volcanoes causes global warming."
“Geeze... Some folks should learn how to read!”
01 XLT Sport’s answer to Dennis’s challenge - “Geeze... Some folks should learn how to read!”
translated = Where in the hell did you read that I said volcanic eruptions cause global warming?
Did you *** U ME?
Anyhow back to the main point and FACT, if there is global warming just get over it NOTHING we can do to stop it, at least nothing I can do, nor will I do. It won’t affect me, my kids, my grandkids, my great grandkid, my great great grandkids. If THE SKY IS FALLEN like some of you want to believe, oh well, I look at it like this at least future generations won’t have to shovel the damn snow back here, won’t have to worry about the salt on their trucks, we have more vegetation, more trees, more warm days for polishing our trucks (can’t have enough of those).
Oh, another questions for you “THE SKY IS FALLEN” We Have Global warming. Why is it when we go through real COLD spells they blame that on global warming?
It don’t matter about you guys with gas guzzlers that don’t drive much, or use less of other things, the fact is you do NOT truly believe in what you are saying about global warming and the cause of it. Take an example from me which is I DON’T support Algore, and I didn’t vote for him. That is called core beliefs.
If you DON’T act or do what you SAY, then why should anyone else believe ANYTHING else you have to say, perhaps you guys are really driving Chevy’s…
Posted by 01 XLT Sport:
"The earth cleans itself. Most people may not know this, but way back, hundreds if not millions of years ago there were ALOT more vacanoes (sp?) errupting and spewing toxics into the air prior to humans driving cars, grilling steaks, and using hairspray and guess what we are still here, still breathing, still walking upright and thanks to ALgore we are able to use the internet.”
Posted by Dennis:
"I challenge you to prove your theory that volcanic eruptions causes global warming. I challenge you to prove that gasses and particulates emitted from volcanoes causes global warming."
“Geeze... Some folks should learn how to read!”
01 XLT Sport’s answer to Dennis’s challenge - “Geeze... Some folks should learn how to read!”
translated = Where in the hell did you read that I said volcanic eruptions cause global warming?
Did you *** U ME?
Anyhow back to the main point and FACT, if there is global warming just get over it NOTHING we can do to stop it, at least nothing I can do, nor will I do. It won’t affect me, my kids, my grandkids, my great grandkid, my great great grandkids. If THE SKY IS FALLEN like some of you want to believe, oh well, I look at it like this at least future generations won’t have to shovel the damn snow back here, won’t have to worry about the salt on their trucks, we have more vegetation, more trees, more warm days for polishing our trucks (can’t have enough of those).
Oh, another questions for you “THE SKY IS FALLEN” We Have Global warming. Why is it when we go through real COLD spells they blame that on global warming?
It don’t matter about you guys with gas guzzlers that don’t drive much, or use less of other things, the fact is you do NOT truly believe in what you are saying about global warming and the cause of it. Take an example from me which is I DON’T support Algore, and I didn’t vote for him. That is called core beliefs.
If you DON’T act or do what you SAY, then why should anyone else believe ANYTHING else you have to say, perhaps you guys are really driving Chevy’s…
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Oh my, I feel inferior with my 12th grade edecasion, but one thing, you can't fool me..... I got into this thread and immediately rolled up my pants. Don't want none of that volcanic, acid rain, ozone eatin', global warmin', icecap meltin', jet stream crap to get on me! No sir, not on me! You no ever since that Gore boy invented this here intercourse thing, them revenue'ers been spying on us all. 
Simmer down guys, we're all on the same side you know? PEACE!
Simmer down guys, we're all on the same side you know? PEACE!
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From: TN
Dennis
First off please don't think I am flaming you, but I do want to say something.
With all that education does there lurk some insecurity, superiority? I am not downing you...I applaud you for your thirst to learn. If you have accomplished a lot in your life you have every right to be proud. But it should never be used in a condescending manner or to make another feel inadequate or belittled. Personally for me all the knowledge in the world will never equal the honor of the respect of my fellow man.
First off please don't think I am flaming you, but I do want to say something.
With all that education does there lurk some insecurity, superiority? I am not downing you...I applaud you for your thirst to learn. If you have accomplished a lot in your life you have every right to be proud. But it should never be used in a condescending manner or to make another feel inadequate or belittled. Personally for me all the knowledge in the world will never equal the honor of the respect of my fellow man.
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I can't help it. I was educated in the sciences. All measurements are pointing towards a global warming. All the government studies I've seen are pointing towards a global warming. All the studies I've seen point towards CO2 being a greenhouse gas. All the studies I've seen have shown a dramatic increase, the likes of which the earth has never seen before, in the amount of CO2 in our atomosphere. 'nuff said.
I suppose the fact that I believe in Darwin's theory must really hit a sour chord.
You can ignore what mainstream science is saying. It doesn't change a thing, other than your complete disregard for science.
The BS is being thrown by people who don't believe the fact that humans are producing more CO2 than any natural source.
BTW, I don't profess to be smart. I profess to be well educated and well exposed to people who are in research.
Did you know that the government wants to inject tons upon tons of CO2 deep into the ocean to see if it's possible to decrease the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? Why would the government even be talking about such a thing if CO2 wasn't a problem? We're fighting it because it's unknown what effect it will have on the ocean and ocean life, not to mention what would happen if a CO2 bubble were to burst up from the ocean. Supposedly, the injection will be deep enough that the CO2 will remain liquid in form.
I suppose the fact that I believe in Darwin's theory must really hit a sour chord.
You can ignore what mainstream science is saying. It doesn't change a thing, other than your complete disregard for science.
The BS is being thrown by people who don't believe the fact that humans are producing more CO2 than any natural source.
BTW, I don't profess to be smart. I profess to be well educated and well exposed to people who are in research.
Did you know that the government wants to inject tons upon tons of CO2 deep into the ocean to see if it's possible to decrease the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? Why would the government even be talking about such a thing if CO2 wasn't a problem? We're fighting it because it's unknown what effect it will have on the ocean and ocean life, not to mention what would happen if a CO2 bubble were to burst up from the ocean. Supposedly, the injection will be deep enough that the CO2 will remain liquid in form.
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From: NH
Dennis posted:
"You can ignore what mainstream science is saying. It doesn't change a thing, other than your complete disregard for science."
Global warming has NOT been proven, nor is it being said by "mainstream science" It is a theory which comes from "part" of the science community, while another part of the science community disagrees with what is, if anything, causing global warming.
Yes there are many people in science that believe in your theroy, and there is many of people in science that are saying what I am saying, or at the very least telling the wackos that want us on horses again to WAIT, because there is NO where near the proof of anything happening.
Here is an interesting fact. The F-4 phatom (Navy jet) now in retirment, flown in the Navy for well over 30 years. We had them on the aircraft carrier I was on. Anyway, in theroy, and on paper it was proven they would NOT fly due to the design yet strapping two big powerful jet engine on it made them fly just fine.
Point being theory is just that its NOT a fact, at least not until it has be proven out. Global warming, at least caused by humans is still a theory, not proven out. You don't go taking things away (trucks/cars/hairspray/grilling) just because of someones theory.
Even if it were proven to be a fact 100 years from now, there would be no ill effects. Temp maybe say 2 degrees above normal no big deal, but if it were proven and you took some steps earth would clean itself no problem. It's like "some" people in science are now saying the ozone hole is shrinking (healing).
If the earth does heat up over time, hundreds of years that still no problem humans, animals, plants will adapt to the changes as they have for billions of years.
So I go back to my statement, don't worry about it, it's no problem we should live happy and do as we please. Tomorrow if its nice out I am going to grill
"You can ignore what mainstream science is saying. It doesn't change a thing, other than your complete disregard for science."
Global warming has NOT been proven, nor is it being said by "mainstream science" It is a theory which comes from "part" of the science community, while another part of the science community disagrees with what is, if anything, causing global warming.
Yes there are many people in science that believe in your theroy, and there is many of people in science that are saying what I am saying, or at the very least telling the wackos that want us on horses again to WAIT, because there is NO where near the proof of anything happening.
Here is an interesting fact. The F-4 phatom (Navy jet) now in retirment, flown in the Navy for well over 30 years. We had them on the aircraft carrier I was on. Anyway, in theroy, and on paper it was proven they would NOT fly due to the design yet strapping two big powerful jet engine on it made them fly just fine.
Point being theory is just that its NOT a fact, at least not until it has be proven out. Global warming, at least caused by humans is still a theory, not proven out. You don't go taking things away (trucks/cars/hairspray/grilling) just because of someones theory.
Even if it were proven to be a fact 100 years from now, there would be no ill effects. Temp maybe say 2 degrees above normal no big deal, but if it were proven and you took some steps earth would clean itself no problem. It's like "some" people in science are now saying the ozone hole is shrinking (healing).
If the earth does heat up over time, hundreds of years that still no problem humans, animals, plants will adapt to the changes as they have for billions of years.
So I go back to my statement, don't worry about it, it's no problem we should live happy and do as we please. Tomorrow if its nice out I am going to grill
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You asked for it...
Here's what you asked for. I'm only posting a few links. I tried to limit it to .gov links or to well known organizations such as the Livermore Research Lab.
Enjoy the reading. It will get you started on your Global Warming education, albeit from the back door. i.e., from the solution side instead of the more obvious head on approach. Hope you don't get confused. I think it's more interesting from this end. I now hear rumblings about planting fast grwoing trees, cutting them down, and dumping them where the temps are below freezing year round.
If you're wondering how I know about carbon sequestration, it's because they want to do it here and we're worried about the effects it will have on the ocean. I've been heavily involved in ocean related activities and regulations for the past decade.
I'm a bit tired. When I have the energy to do it, I'll look for more links that deal more directly with global warming that anybody should be able to understand. Ball's in your court.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-lrs082002.php
http://www.mbari.org/ghgases/deep/release.htm
http://www.fe.doe.gov/coal_power/seq...on/index.shtml
http://en-env.llnl.gov/gas_hydrates/co2.html
http://www.co2science.org/journal/1998/111598c2.htm
http://www.fe.doe.gov/coal_power/seq...geologic.shtml
Oh, in regards to the ozone layer? Only time will tell. The curious thing is, skin melanoma is still on the rise. If the ozone layer was really repairing itself, then you'd expect melanoma rates to go down. Maybe they will in time? I don't know. Neither do you. As I said, only time will tell. So far, evidence still points towards ozone layer damage being caused by chlorinated fluorocarbons.
Enjoy the reading. It will get you started on your Global Warming education, albeit from the back door. i.e., from the solution side instead of the more obvious head on approach. Hope you don't get confused. I think it's more interesting from this end. I now hear rumblings about planting fast grwoing trees, cutting them down, and dumping them where the temps are below freezing year round.
If you're wondering how I know about carbon sequestration, it's because they want to do it here and we're worried about the effects it will have on the ocean. I've been heavily involved in ocean related activities and regulations for the past decade.
I'm a bit tired. When I have the energy to do it, I'll look for more links that deal more directly with global warming that anybody should be able to understand. Ball's in your court.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-lrs082002.php
http://www.mbari.org/ghgases/deep/release.htm
http://www.fe.doe.gov/coal_power/seq...on/index.shtml
http://en-env.llnl.gov/gas_hydrates/co2.html
http://www.co2science.org/journal/1998/111598c2.htm
http://www.fe.doe.gov/coal_power/seq...geologic.shtml
Oh, in regards to the ozone layer? Only time will tell. The curious thing is, skin melanoma is still on the rise. If the ozone layer was really repairing itself, then you'd expect melanoma rates to go down. Maybe they will in time? I don't know. Neither do you. As I said, only time will tell. So far, evidence still points towards ozone layer damage being caused by chlorinated fluorocarbons.