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Old May 2, 2011 | 02:50 PM
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Destructive Device?

If you own a shotgun for self/family defense, it is bad. According to the Obama administration.

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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:03 PM
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The fact is that america will never be dis-armmed. Its just a waste of time to think our guns will be taken away. BUT there should be a restriction on the extended mags, tell me why you need 31 rounds to defend yourself? I do not understand scilencers either. Sure they look cool but why do you need one? If there was someone in my house I would want people to hear my shots so they call for the police!

I own a 30 ot 6 and also hunt so im not anti gun.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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As I think about all the guns I own they are only as destructive as the person that owns them and don't get me wrong I love to blow the crap out of an old fax machine or printer as the next guy but I think my rear end is more of a destructive device after a few bowls of camp chili with jalapeno's washed down with beer than a gun is. But what they need to do is focus on taking the guns out of the hands of criminals and stopping the flow of guns to Mexico once and for all and not some useless legislation limiting how many rounds a law abiding citizen can carry in a magazine. Silencers have a place and a use like at a shooting range in a heavily populated area to reduce noise and I believe in Britain you are required to use one any time you shoot a rifle or pistol but don't quote me on that I may be wrong.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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As I think about all the guns I own they are only as destructive as the person that owns them and don't get me wrong I love to blow the crap out of an old fax machine or printer as the next guy but I think my rear end is more of a destructive device after a few bowls of camp chili with jalapeno's washed down with beer than a gun is. But what they need to do is focus on taking the guns out of the hands of criminals and stopping the flow of guns to Mexico once and for all and not some useless legislation limiting how many rounds a law abiding citizen can carry in a magazine. Silencers have a place and a use like at a shooting range in a heavily populated area to reduce noise and I believe in Britain you are required to use one any time you shoot a rifle or pistol but don't quote me on that I may be wrong.
Then they should do all of that, the gun flow to mexico is the most important in my eyes. Over there its like a secret war to some people. My point on the extended mags is if you dont need it why have it? The Arizona shooting would have been alot less destructive then it was if the magazine size was reduced. The guy got detained when he tried to reload.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
The fact is that america will never be dis-armmed. Its just a waste of time to think our guns will be taken away. BUT there should be a restriction on the extended mags, tell me why you need 31 rounds to defend yourself? I do not understand scilencers either. Sure they look cool but why do you need one? If there was someone in my house I would want people to hear my shots so they call for the police!

I own a 30 ot 6 and also hunt so im not anti gun.
Yes because criminals obey laws and will only carry 10 round mags.

Why should I restrict my rights to the amount of ammunition in my magazine because of criminals?

Suppressors would be great for hunting and rifle ranges....

Suppressors honestly aren't great for killing people. It's not like the movies where you hear a light "wind" noise. They are still pretty loud, if nothing else because of the action of the gun itself. People WILL notice the gun getting shot. 22's with subsonic rounds though are pretty damn quite... In other words, unless you have a suppressed 22 pistol with subsonic rounds, people are still going to hear your gun go off...
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:55 PM
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Then they should do all of that, the gun flow to mexico is the most important in my eyes. Over there its like a secret war to some people. My point on the extended mags is if you dont need it why have it? The Arizona shooting would have been alot less destructive then it was if the magazine size was reduced. The guy got detained when he tried to reload.
You reduce the magazine size they will just buy more magazines and you can reload pretty damn quick. I can reload in about 10-15 seconds and be back in action with my single stack 8 round 1911 and I am moving in super slow motion compared to some guys. You are going to have horrific events as long as there are guns I don't care if it's a single shot rifle or if it's fully automatic M16. Look at the shooting in Mumbai if you restrict the good guys and give the bad guys the upper hand you will always have horrific mass killings with well armed not necessarily trained bad guys but is some cases it's both.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:57 PM
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You reduce the magazine size they will just buy more magazines and you can reload pretty damn quick. I can reload in about 10-15 seconds and be back in action with my single stack 8 round 1911 and I am moving in super slow motion compared to some guys. You are going to have horrific events as long as there are guns I don't care if it's a single shot rifle or if it's fully automatic M16. Look at the shooting in Mumbai if you restrict the good guys and give the bad guys the upper hand you will always have horrific mass killings with well armed not necessarily trained bad guys but is some cases it's both.
Even if all guns are taken away, criminals will find another way to break the law....

I honestly can't beleive this is even an argument.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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Yes because criminals obey laws and will only carry 10 round mags.

Why should I restrict my rights to the amount of ammunition in my magazine because of criminals?

Suppressors would be great for hunting and rifle ranges....

Suppressors honestly aren't great for killing people. It's not like the movies where you hear a light "wind" noise. They are still pretty loud, if nothing else because of the action of the gun itself. People WILL notice the gun getting shot. 22's with subsonic rounds though are pretty damn quite... In other words, unless you have a suppressed 22 pistol with subsonic rounds, people are still going to hear your gun go off...
Yes you are right. Criminals will find ways to get bigger mags, automatic weapons, ect.... no need to restrict peoples rights. BUT I still dont want people to be able to get guns fairly easily.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FATHERFORD
Even if all guns are taken away, criminals will find another way to break the law....

I honestly can't beleive this is even an argument.
I know I just feel like stirring the pot today.



I can kill some one with my hammer, are they going to take away my hammers next?
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
If you own a shotgun for self/family defense, it is bad. According to the Obama administration.

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Damn, this is no laughing matter, Obama is really doing this?! That is not right! It says right there in the second amendment that I have the right to bear arms.

That Obama is sure an evil creature, he wants to take my constitutional right away?!

Hell NO! We should join pastor Steve Anderson in prayer NOW!
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:27 PM
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Better watch it Leo, he is going to come for your brad nailer next.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dsq3973
You reduce the magazine size they will just buy more magazines and you can reload pretty damn quick. I can reload in about 10-15 seconds and be back in action with my single stack 8 round 1911 and I am moving in super slow motion compared to some guys. You are going to have horrific events as long as there are guns I don't care if it's a single shot rifle or if it's fully automatic M16. Look at the shooting in Mumbai if you restrict the good guys and give the bad guys the upper hand you will always have horrific mass killings with well armed not necessarily trained bad guys but is some cases it's both.
The Arizona shooting was stopped when he reloaded his gun, so, in retrospect, if he could only buy a smaller magazine, it would have caused less damage.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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Then they should do all of that, the gun flow to mexico is the most important in my eyes. Over there its like a secret war to some people. My point on the extended mags is if you dont need it why have it? The Arizona shooting would have been alot less destructive then it was if the magazine size was reduced. The guy got detained when he tried to reload.
If anyone standing behind him had a loaded 45 in their small-of-back holster, it would have ended sooner, too. I don't think he had 31 round magazines, did he? I can tell you, if I had been behind the dude, he may have shot 2 people before I blew his head off. Maybe arming everyone is the solution.
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:42 PM
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If anyone standing behind him had a loaded 45 in their small-of-back holster, it would have ended sooner, too. I don't think he had 31 round magazines, did he? I can tell you, if I had been behind the dude, he may have shot 2 people before I blew his head off. Maybe arming everyone is the solution.
He had an extended mag and there WAS a guy there with a gun, but he didnt shoot because of the mass hysteria, he could not see who had the gun and he also did not want to kill anyone by mistake
 
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Old May 2, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
Yes you are right. Criminals will find ways to get bigger mags, automatic weapons, ect.... no need to restrict peoples rights. BUT I still dont want people to be able to get guns fairly easily.
The problem here is it's NOT easy to get a gun. If you are a felon, no dice, if you don't pass a SP background call, no dice, you sure as hell ain't getting a CCW permit, BUT, what is easy as pie is getting an illegal gun. I can go out in town and buy one out of some guy's trunk for 50 bucks, stick it in my pocket illegally and take it wherever and do whatever. Please explain to me how smaller clips are going to stop that.With silly-*** gun laws, you're protecting the criminals from the LEGAL people who are trying to arm ourselves. How about enforcing the laws we already have? That would be a great start.
Why do we have 31 round clips when we don't need them? Why do you have a couch, you can sit in chairs, you don't need a couch. Same argument. Maybe I am testing the sighting on my gun and want to shoot 30 times immediately in succession to get a more accurate report. Even better, this is America, where I have the right to bear arms, kiss my ***, it's nobody's business why I want 31 round magazines.
No hate intended, just saying.
 
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