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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 11:02 PM
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poor people need help theres no way around that but there are alot of stupid and pointless things out there
poor people dont need help, thats the problem, if they didnt draw unemployment and take "free" money from the government they would get off their lazy butts and get a job.

discretionary spending doesnt really matter, its the big things like healthcare, social security, military spending, and interest that is making us go so deep into debt.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by str8t six
poor people dont need help, thats the problem, if they didnt draw unemployment and take "free" money from the government they would get off their lazy butts and get a job.

discretionary spending doesnt really matter, its the big things like healthcare, social security, military spending, and interest that is making us go so deep into debt.
dude thats the problem, there are no jobs. I cant find one for the life of me, even though im 16 so im looked at as sort of a second option. The shutdown is averted for now and thats great and all but we need to get to the real problems like you said, the mandatory spending. how about we get rid of tax loopholes so ge dosent have to pay any taxes. the tax code is where alot of money is lost and its getting rediculous. My family cant evade taxes like that, but they can and whats even more puzzling is that its legal. what about the wars how about we get out of there.

back when bush did the bush tax cuts, we didnt know 911 and the wars in iraq and afghanstan would proceed. it sucks, and were not making much progress in either of those wars. that ties up alot of funding. there was plenty of other things that should have been looked at during this then just discressionary spending
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
dude thats the problem, there are no jobs.
BS, it may not be a job you want or like but if you are actually looking and need a paycheck there are jobs to be had.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
dude thats the problem, there are no jobs. I cant find one for the life of me, even though im 16 so im looked at as sort of a second option. The shutdown is averted for now and thats great and all but we need to get to the real problems like you said, the mandatory spending. how about we get rid of tax loopholes so ge dosent have to pay any taxes. the tax code is where alot of money is lost and its getting rediculous. My family cant evade taxes like that, but they can and whats even more puzzling is that its legal. what about the wars how about we get out of there.

back when bush did the bush tax cuts, we didnt know 911 and the wars in iraq and afghanstan would proceed. it sucks, and were not making much progress in either of those wars. that ties up alot of funding. there was plenty of other things that should have been looked at during this then just discressionary spending
Corporate profits are returned to the share holders and employees. At that point they are taxed. By having the company pay taxes on them then the share holders pay taxes on them taxes are collected twice on the same money. That is not legal.

Bush cut taxes due to the recession caused by the tech bubble burst and the 9/11 attacks. Lowering taxes is the only way to stimulate the economy. Increasing taxes so the government can spend more and the people can't does not work to stimulate the economy. It never has nd it never will. Sorry, but Obama's "saved or created" measure is pure fiction. There is no way to determine which jobs were saved or created. It is like attempting to give one answer for X+Y=7. You can't do it, the answer is all numbers.

As for the wars we somewhat agree. We shouldn't have done anything with Lybia. However since we started we have to finish it. Even though the government hasn't really detailed what we are doing there and how we know it is complete. Not to mention the rebels are backed by Al Qaeda. So on one front we are fighting them but on another we are supporting them?!? The Iraq war from 1991 never stopped. We bombed them at least weekly from the beginning of the initial war in January 1991 until it flared up again in 2003. With that said we are slowly pulling out of there and have been since Bush was in office. The Iraqi government is getting stronger every day and taking more responsibility for their own security. I think I read something the other day saying we had less then 100k troops on the ground in Iraq. Afghanistan is one area we need to tread lightly. The Soviet Union spent many years in that country only to be kicked out after wasting a lot of money and manpower. We need to get the Afghanistan government up and supporting it's own security as soon as possible. Since most news outlets are not covering that war any longer it is difficult to say what is going on.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
dude thats the problem, there are no jobs. I cant find one for the life of me, even though im 16 so im looked at as sort of a second option.
dont take this the wrong way but your prolly not gonna find a job.

wage for unskilled workers increased and there are to many rules and worries for an employer to invest time in a teen when there are plenty of unemployed adults.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
dude thats the problem, there are no jobs. I cant find one for the life of me, even though im 16 so im looked at as sort of a second option.
There's plenty of jobs.....just ask the "Illegals."
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by blu3expy
poor people need help theres no way around that but there are alot of stupid and pointless things out there
I was like this when I was your age. Then, after spending some time in the world I had a different perspective.

I think that it's great that you are getting invloved in the issues, as it's not something people your age are doing enough. The world looks very different as we get older. You'll see soon enough.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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I was like this when I was your age. Then, after spending some time in the world I had a different perspective.

I think that it's great that you are getting invloved in the issues, as it's not something people your age are doing enough. The world looks very different as we get older. You'll see soon enough.
thanks, but even when Im older, I am still going to think that I should lend a helping hand, but who knows, maybe my conservative uncle will get to me only time will tell
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by screwyou
There's plenty of jobs.....just ask the "Illegals."
im not very fimiliar with the illegals because there really are not many in michigan from what ive seen, but in arizona or southwest states that could be a problem
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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Blu, are you still in school? If not, GET YOUR *** BACK IN SCHOOL.

Have you made the rounds of all the fast food joints?
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 02:30 PM
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Blu, are you still in school? If not, GET YOUR *** BACK IN SCHOOL.

Have you made the rounds of all the fast food joints?
lol yeah im in school, im 16, dropping out would be insane! why do you ask?

and ya fast food places are covered. really where I would like to work is somwhere automotive related, eventhough that probably wont happen
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 02:55 PM
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I'm just asking to make sure you are NOT insane!
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 02:59 PM
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thanks, but even when Im older, I am still going to think that I should lend a helping hand, but who knows, maybe my conservative uncle will get to me only time will tell
Yes, I have retained my desire to lend a helping hand. In fact as I've got older I've found different, more productive ways to do so. I've also leaned that our government has almost always done a poor job of lending a helping hand on our behalf.

If your conservative uncle "gets to you" that doesn't mean that you won't want to lend a helping hand. To the contrary.

ABC News-Who Gives and Who Doesn't?

Originally Posted by ABC News-Who Gives and Who Doesn't?
It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 03:15 PM
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Yes, I have retained my desire to lend a helping hand. In fact as I've got older I've found different, more productive ways to do so. I've also leaned that our government has almost always done a poor job of lending a helping hand on our behalf.

If your conservative uncle "gets to you" that doesn't mean that you won't want to lend a helping hand. To the contrary.

ABC News-Who Gives and Who Doesn't?
yeah your right, churches do more to help than the government does. what I mean by if my uncle got me is that hes kind of selfish but its not a big deal, still one of the coolest uncles out there. and glc im not insane!
 
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 11:39 PM
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handouts are not helping.

Originally Posted by blu3expy
poor people need help theres no way around that but there are alot of stupid and pointless things out there

When we made poverty a federal program, we created a bureaucracy that is dependent on having more and more poor people, so that is what it does - makes more and more people poor.
 
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