what happens if we allow gays to marry? the same thing that happens if they are allowed to live in the same billeting as everyone else. There are going to be families and soliders living there that are not going to be ok, so now we need to create seperate living areas? force the straight soldiers to move because they dont tollerate the gay ones? Make the gay ones live off post and then cause a whole other issue because they got segregated? (FYI just so you understand, if they are married they have no choice but to move into on post housing or move off post.)

 

Lots of opinions around here... valid points on both sides too... however, I highly doubt that anyone would have to worry about the very "feminine" gays being in the military. I've spent time on 6 different bases and two different ships when I was in the Corps and never saw any of your stereotypical gays. I have seen some very masculine female Marines though. LoL.

It all comes down to choice. We're all free Americans... why can't that be enough?! As long as the guy next to me in the foxhole is sending lead downrange and not staring at my ***, I could care less if he's straight, bi, gay or a raging flaming version of Ru Paul.

 

How is this any different than if a bi-racial couple moves next door? There are plenty of people that think it is disgraceful for a black and a white to marry too. Maybe the solution is to deal with the one that has the phobia?

I mean we have already heard people spout off that Muslims shouldn't be allowed in our armed forces because one whack job went off. I mean where does it stop?

There are a couple people saying that race is a different thing, but it isn't. It is just that the general society has become more accepting of different races.

I am not saying to admit people that cannot do the job. You wouldn't bring some 500lb guy into the military because he would probably die in basic training. I have a hunch that the flaming gay guy like Elton John isn't running down to become a Marine.

 

um because bi racial couples dont enjoy two *****'s touching?

And just a fun side fact. That wack job that was responsible for ALLEGEDLY shooting over 3 dozen people at Fort Hood, he may get off on the mental plee that he didnt know what he was doing, although he admited to purchasing a hand gun months before and going to the shooting range and specificly shooting the targets in the head for the purpous of going through with the shooting.

 

so they have a right to be homos but i dont have a right to be offended? did you think about that before you said it?

 

Shosty, you're getting out of hand once more with the language, insults and barbs to irritate. You know I will not put up with it. This is the only warning, and is one more than I should give.

 

"The building blocks of our society and the thing that makes it strong is the traditional family of man, woman, and children. It is what has sustained us through two world wars, a great depression, and numerous other challenges over the centuries. While friends & lovers come and go, your family is always there. The main reason our culture and values have started to crumble is the weakening of families. Introducing another form of "family" would only make the situation worse"

Morale over seas at the moment is low enough as it is. The addition of homosexuals being able to flaunt it is just going to lower it. And they were worried about the harrasment of homosexuals before? what do they think is going to happen now. Hmmm i know i know! ITS GOING TO GET WORSE

 

Yes. And they do, unless you're all about hating freedom.

 

oh ya hating freedom is what i live for

 

Apparently so. You're opposed to individuals doing what they want to that harms no one.

 

Rustyninja,

No one says you have to embrace or participate in their activity! You don't even have to internally accept it.

However to outwardly attack them would be wrong.

For example...would I be happy if one of my boys came home with another guy and say he is gay? No but in the end I have two choices. Accept it or disown him. Do I like the options? No but it is what it is.

The military is an employer. They have to abide by the rules anyone else has to. If you can do the job effectively then let them do their job.

 

it harms no one? I believe morale affects everyone. And im pretty sure "Individuals doing what they want" isnt outline in the constituion or bill of rights

 

your partially right, where your wrong is the military is not like your normal civilian employer, we have our own set of laws, own set of regulations and things we need to abide by. We have the right to judge example being, out of shape people getting kicked out. You cant fire someone from home depot because they are over weight. women not being able to do certain jobs. Wal-mart cant not hire a woman because she is just that. Color blind? well your SOL. so no we dont have to abide by the rules everyone else does. Job effectiveness will be effective. and no but if im going to be exposed to their "activities" as you call them and i have no choice in this then yea i do.

And you have never served anytime in the military let alone overseas? how valid of an argument are you going to have without seeing both sides of this issue. And dont say because you have friends in the military and yada yada. Ive been a civilian and ive been in the military. You need to understand the difference in lifestyles to be able to argue about this. Without that your arguments mean nothing to me. How are you going to argue the effects its going to have on a lifestyle you have never actually had? Or tell me im wrong for feeling a certain way because i know what its like to live with 10 dudes in a tent for a year, and what effects it would have if some of them were openly gay.

 

I think I've figured out a solution to this problem, we make all the homosexual Service Members disqualified for all combat arms MOSes.

We can also replace religion on our Dog Tags with whether or not you supported the DADT bill. Then if you didn't support it you can wait for a straight medics to finish patching you up, because we know TC3 and CLS is just to get you back to the CASH.

The law was passed on Friday and hasn't even been signed by the President yet, "It was a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO."

 

My perspective, correct me if I'm wrong, is not that the military wishes to discriminate gays just because 'theyre weird and different.' The military trains for worst-case scenarios...combat. A teams effectiveness in combat is directly related to their cohesion and how they work together, trust each other, and can depend on each other. If i was in a platoon of 20 riflemen and I knew that we could see combat one day, where my life could depend on the actions of one of the other guys, I want to make dang sure that I get along with them and that he doesnt feel that I discriminate against him because he's gay. I am simply not going to have the confidence in him that I would normally have with a 'normal' troop.

I will be the first to raise my hand and say that yes...I am a homophobe, I cannot stand to be around gay men. I am not politically correct. I dont think that they should be executed or cast out of America or anything like that. I am simply prejudice against them because it is wrong. Ive said it to a gay man's face before. Gay men have no place in the military simply because it forces straight men to accept them. Isn't that being intollerant of straight men's rights??