Ok here is the short version. We Merikans have a history of "can do" and self reliance. Our "red-neck" president from the south knew this. The attitude is anyone has an opportunity to succeed (by their own efforts) and should not be discriminated against. If you put in the effort or risk, then you should be able to reap the benifits of your labor.

Now on the other hand our "Black" president from the north has a completely different set of beliefs. He thinks that the Government should be the be-all say-all in anyone or everyone's life. He feels that if someone has been sucessful then he (the Govennment) can take the fruits of your labor and give it to those who have no intention of exerting any labor at all. And if you disagree with this then he will take it any way. Under the guise of "fairness" he promotes class and racial warfare.

Stand back and take another look at our political yin and yang and see if it makes more sense to you.

Oh yea I forgot, our present President is a hoser too, and that makes a difference.

Rustyninja-thanks for your service and get home soon.

 

couldnt agree more. Obama=

 

now richard simmons can be a general

how many queers will "man" up and actually enlist.
















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I think you would be surprised by how many are already there

 

Ahhhh okay. If you have it right I am sorry I mis-understood. I thought it was now that they COULD kick you out and they couldnt before.


Haha I gotcha. Like I said I was confused as it seemed the other way around. My views of Repubs and Dem's still stands then.

 

cosworth-we definetly can not kick them out now lol

 

my mistake guys

 

The idea that you don't want some gay guy seeing you in the shower is asinine. If you have ever been to a health club or the high school locker room, I will bet you that some gay guy saw you naked.

I don't think you are going to see two guys making out in a fox hole. You wouldn't have a heterosexual couple doing that either. It is inappropriate and unprofessional to say the least. They're not going to gang rape a straight male in the shower (it isn't prison).

I am pretty sure the "flaming" gay guys aren't going to be signing up anyway. If this affects anyone, it is going to be the ladies. There are some women out there (like Rosie O'Donnell) that have more testosterone than most guys on here and they are most likely to be signing up for the military.

No private employer can discriminate against people for reason of sexual orientation, so why should the military? If they are willing to man up and serve their country, then let them do so.

The problem with DADT was that even if they kept the fact secret, often service people would be blackmailed if someone found out. It isn't like they were publicly broadcasting it. There have been 13,500 service people discharged for being gay in the US Armed Forces since DADT was enacted. Heck we could have had another war going with those soldiers!!!

As far as the morals of it, I'll admit I don't want to see two guys making out at the mall in front of my kids. That said, I don't want my kids seeing a heterosexual couple making out in the mall either. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't give me the right to condemn another for doing it. Society is evolving...holding hands in public was almost taboo in the 1950's. Today you are liable to see anything. You have to change with the times I guess.

 

you'd be suprised what goes on

from what I've seen 95% of those chaptered out under the DADT came forward because they wanted out because they couldn't hang...

the Military needs to maintain being different than the civilian work force or else we will become like everyone else...

and far as being seen by a gay guy in the showers or not doesn't matter because the individual wasn't open about it so no one thought about it...

and yes they will have to segregate the homosexuals or violate everyone elses "equal opportunity". If a straight male can't shower in the female shower then he has every right to be a lil' upset if a homosexual male can shower in his it's simply equal opportunity

 

im not worried about being in open showers with other guys, im pretty sure im more used to it than you are. But being in an open shower with a gay guy is not the same as showering with straight guys. Its not any different than a guy taking a shower in the womans shower

 

The way it used to be was they were asked when they signed up if they were Gay, if they the answer was yes then they weren't allowed to join. So all DADT did was create a catch 22 for the gays. If they could still be asked BEFORE joining they would not be in the shower in the first place.

Pretty typical of lefties-create a situation then force a solution. Why should our military have to deal with the "sensivities" of the gays in the first place? Don't you understand people are trying to kill them at any given moment, and to have to worry about some stupid Gay Pride thing only detracts from the job they have to do!

Well said Tarajeramy, and Thank You for your service!

 

In this line of work the last thing im going to be worried about is double checking myself to make sure i didnt use an offensive term or language thats going to offened someone. Not to start another discussion but its the same reason that they shouldnt let women join combat arms job's in the military. We are all men therefore thigns are simple, I dont have to watch what i say i dont have to take in extra considerations whenever we do something. Its just more for everyone else to worry about just to make them feel comfortable

 

Using that line of reasoning is the same as saying that African Americans, Latinos, and everybody should be segregated as military should be allowed to act like juveniles.

Our military members are supposed to be consummate professionals. They need to act like it.

I will admit I have never been in the military but many of my friends have and for the most part they could care less about this. They just want to get the job done and get home in one piece.

 

So are our Politicians......How's that Hope and Change working out for you?

 

so because i dont agree with homos being in the military i dont want to get the job done? I promise you im doing what i can to get the job done, but things like DADT being repealed dont make it any easier. If you had been in the military and deployed overseas before then id be more than happy to see your side of this whole wanting to get the job done and acting like a proffessional. Im sure its easy for you to sit there at home and tell me what we should and shouldnt be doing, hmm kind of sounds like a politician to me.