"Birther" refuses to deploy.
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It wouldnt be an embarassement when its discovered there was a HUGE effort on his part to conceal his identity. Maybe for the liberals, but not those of us who proudly hold up our birth certificates!
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Personally, I'd view it as a "told ya so!" to the people who believed him. I don't think the rest of the world would see it that way, though.
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*Not directred at you FordMaN7 only in relationship to your comment*
If this a$$clown claims he will not deploy to a hostile zone for the reason he stated, he is a GUTTLESS PUKE who needs to be court martialed. He took an oath that he will defend the United States from all foes both foreign and domestic. By playing his childish game he is not fulfilling his oath, and is looking for a way out. Personally I wouldn'g want someone with his mentality in my unit in a hostile environment. Its guys that him that got fragged in previous confrontations. He is nothing but a ----ing Coward looking to find an issue to overshadow is candya$$..
If this a$$clown claims he will not deploy to a hostile zone for the reason he stated, he is a GUTTLESS PUKE who needs to be court martialed. He took an oath that he will defend the United States from all foes both foreign and domestic. By playing his childish game he is not fulfilling his oath, and is looking for a way out. Personally I wouldn'g want someone with his mentality in my unit in a hostile environment. Its guys that him that got fragged in previous confrontations. He is nothing but a ----ing Coward looking to find an issue to overshadow is candya$$..
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Like him or dislike him, it's no one's business except those in government power who make sure he's a US citizen to see such documentation.
That's like me saying I want to see the birth certificates of everyone here...
Regardless of what country he was born in, his mother was a US citizen... that makes him a US citizen.
2yrs later and ppl are still bitching about this... go bitch about something bigger, like the economy, or BP... anything.
That's like me saying I want to see the birth certificates of everyone here...
Regardless of what country he was born in, his mother was a US citizen... that makes him a US citizen.
2yrs later and ppl are still bitching about this... go bitch about something bigger, like the economy, or BP... anything.
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If this a$$clown claims he will not deploy to a hostile zone for the reason he stated, he is a GUTTLESS PUKE who needs to be court martialed. He took an oath that he will defend the United States from all foes both foreign and domestic. By playing his childish game he is not fulfilling his oath, and is looking for a way out. Personally I wouldn'g want someone with his mentality in my unit in a hostile environment. Its guys that him that got fragged in previous confrontations. He is nothing but a ----ing Coward looking to find an issue to overshadow is candya$$..
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Like him or dislike him, it's no one's business except those in government power who make sure he's a US citizen to see such documentation.
That's like me saying I want to see the birth certificates of everyone here...
Regardless of what country he was born in, his mother was a US citizen... that makes him a US citizen.
2yrs later and ppl are still bitching about this... go bitch about something bigger, like the economy, or BP... anything.
That's like me saying I want to see the birth certificates of everyone here...
Regardless of what country he was born in, his mother was a US citizen... that makes him a US citizen.
2yrs later and ppl are still bitching about this... go bitch about something bigger, like the economy, or BP... anything.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a person have to be born IN the United States to be president, rather than just be a US citizen? I mean, you can't be born in another country to parents who are US citizens and then become president even though you're a legal citizen. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Children born outside the U.S. to a U.S. citizen parent or parents who meet U.S. residence requirements automatically acquire USA citizenship.
A. Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock
A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires USA citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). However, one of the parents must have resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth. No specific period for such prior residence is required.
B. Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Foreign Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad, to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, acquires USA citizenship at birth provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth.
For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of 14 are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit USA citizenship to the child.
C. Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father
A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire USA citizenship provided:
1. Clear and convincing evidence of blood relationship has been established between the child and the father
2. The father was a U.S. national at the time of child's birth
3. The father (unless deceased) had agreed in writing to provide financial support for the child until he/she reaches the age of 18 years, and
4. While the child is under the age of 18 years:
a. He/she was legitimated under the law of his/her residence or domicile
b. The father acknowledges paternity of the child in writing under oath, or
c. The paternity of the child is established by adjudication in court
D. Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother
A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire USA citizenship if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the U.S. or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
A. Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock
A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires USA citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). However, one of the parents must have resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth. No specific period for such prior residence is required.
B. Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Foreign Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad, to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, acquires USA citizenship at birth provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth.
For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of 14 are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit USA citizenship to the child.
C. Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father
A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire USA citizenship provided:
1. Clear and convincing evidence of blood relationship has been established between the child and the father
2. The father was a U.S. national at the time of child's birth
3. The father (unless deceased) had agreed in writing to provide financial support for the child until he/she reaches the age of 18 years, and
4. While the child is under the age of 18 years:
a. He/she was legitimated under the law of his/her residence or domicile
b. The father acknowledges paternity of the child in writing under oath, or
c. The paternity of the child is established by adjudication in court
D. Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother
A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire USA citizenship if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the U.S. or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
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Looks like you're right. The Constitution is worded vaguely, however, Congress was able to fill in the gaps. So Congress has defined what a natural-born citizen includes.
The problem stems from the lack of data given to the public. We are being told to accept their word but their actions tell another story. Obama has spent $1.5-2 million fighting legal battles to keep his birth certificate private along with all school records etc. Who and why would spent that much money to hide something so simple? He could just provide the document which would cost ~$10 or allow someone else to access it for a cost of $0. If he really has nothing to hide why is he working so hard to hide the information? Add to that the other documents that contradict his story and the conflicting reports from his own family and things really do seem amiss.
I don't know what he is trying so hard to hide but there has to be some pretty damaging information there to put this much work into keeping it secret.
I don't know what he is trying so hard to hide but there has to be some pretty damaging information there to put this much work into keeping it secret.
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The problem stems from the lack of data given to the public. We are being told to accept their word but their actions tell another story. Obama has spent $1.5-2 million fighting legal battles to keep his birth certificate private along with all school records etc. Who and why would spent that much money to hide something so simple? He could just provide the document which would cost ~$10 or allow someone else to access it for a cost of $0. If he really has nothing to hide why is he working so hard to hide the information? Add to that the other documents that contradict his story and the conflicting reports from his own family and things really do seem amiss.
I don't know what he is trying so hard to hide but there has to be some pretty damaging information there to put this much work into keeping it secret.
I don't know what he is trying so hard to hide but there has to be some pretty damaging information there to put this much work into keeping it secret.
People like you have a problem with him wanting privacy for one reason... HE'S THE FIRST BLACK (*GASP*) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
What other president in history has had demands made to prove his citizenship? Name one. Can't? Why?! CAUSE THE WERE ALL WHITE AND NO ONE QUESTIONED IT.
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http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.