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Old 11-01-2010, 12:55 PM
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Rush Limbaugh is one person giving OPINION and billed as such. However CBS is a NEWS orgination among other things. Can't compare apples to oranges.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jgger
Rush Limbaugh is one person giving OPINION and billed as such. However CBS is a NEWS orgination among other things. Can't compare apples to oranges.
Fabricated lies are a long stretch from truth. When Rush gets on the air and says, "the perpetrator in the Manhattan bomb attempt was a Democrat!" he is going from commentator to news reporter. He didn't say I bet he is a Democrat, he stated it as a fact.

Now it turns out the guy wasn't even registered to vote.

That is the difference.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
Fabricated lies are a long stretch from truth. When Rush gets on the air and says, "the perpetrator in the Manhattan bomb attempt was a Democrat!" he is going from commentator to news reporter. He didn't say I bet he is a Democrat, he stated it as a fact.

Now it turns out the guy wasn't even registered to vote.

That is the difference.
You were listening to Limbaugh the day that he stated as fact that the Time Square bomber was a deomcrat? You listend to that segment of the show?
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
Fabricated lies are a long stretch from truth. When Rush gets on the air and says, "the perpetrator in the Manhattan bomb attempt was a Democrat!" he is going from commentator to news reporter. He didn't say I bet he is a Democrat, he stated it as a fact.

Now it turns out the guy wasn't even registered to vote.

That is the difference.
It's funny that you question who's registered to vote. The Demorcats care less if you're registered or not. The Democrats prey on the weak, poor, needy, lazy, dumb, and the dead. The Democrats are experts when it comes to unregistered voters casting votes for their party and cause.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:51 PM
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Wittom-- I have never blocked anyone or blown off their opinion as stupid. I may not agree with them and defend my position. That is a debate. To just. Say someone is crazy and not defend it is childish! I appreciate your input.
You appreciate my input? By saying things like:



Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
While we all have to believe what they say is in many bills that are passed, I do have sources I trust more than the likes of:

Rush who can't seem to find the truth if it hit him, plus he's probably stoned on narcotics anyway

Palin who complained of Death Panels that were never substantiated.

Beck who cries over every story he speaks of!
Yeah, that's appreciation, insinuating that your sources are the "right" sources and that I get my information from Limbaugh, Palin and Beck.

I generally don't block people either, but given the repeated insults buried in the mini novels you post I can understand why some people might.

We don't "have to" believe what they say is in the bills. We can read it for ourselves. If we don't have two days and two lawers, we can view the analysis of people who do.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:34 PM
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As far as taxes, if say your property tax went up, that is a local issue. Obama can't control your county or city. Fed. taxes are lower than ever and that is indisputable. Up to the late 70s the top tier was 70+%. None of Bush's tax cuts have ended. For example you're right if you call license plates a tax. In IL they went from 78 to 99 last year. Not Obama's fault. Not Congress...that is my state gov't which is the most corrupt in the nation. To be Gov of IL is a certain sentence to the Fed Pen! Both those with a R or D!
Yes. Perhaps I shouldn't take what our president said while campaigning as literally as some take what an entertainer on the radio says.

Obama said ANY taxes. His buddy Deval Patrick raised all sorts of taxes and fees here in MA. You're right, that can't rest on the shoulders of the Obama administration, but if you look at what he said out of context, like many progressives do to entertainers and news contributers, you might say that Obama lied when he said that he wouldn't raise ANY taxes on anyone making under 250k.

Maybe I'm nit picking a little here, but our president did in fact lie when he said that HE wouldn't raise ANY taxes on anyone making under 250k. HE increased a federal tax by the largest amount since its introduction in 1951. On tobacco. This tax increase hits people making under 250k the hardest.

It's pretty obvious that our president isn't going to be able to keep his promise. With all the new entitlement spending he's promised, he'll have to come up with excuses to justify breaking his promise.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:53 PM
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Sadly, I have found that when trying to debate silly little things like reality with Liberals, union members, K-Mac and the Borg, resistance is futile.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:07 PM
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LOL!!! Unregistered voters cannot vote in any election. There are voter roles and people have to provide ID to vote (at least here in IL). I realize we have the mantra of vote early and vote often that dates back to the Daley Machine. So I suppose there is some deserved criticism here.

I am not saying my sources are any more valid than anyone else; however, some of these people's view scares me as those on the left may scare others.

I will be honest, I don't smoke so I didn't even know about a tax increase on tobacco. Yes it is a tax and I am sure it affects many that make less than 250k. Much like Bush Sr. said "no new taxes" and he raised them too.

These people will say and do anything to get elected. I am not defending Obama as the greatest president ever. I think overall he has been disappointing at best. Would McCain have been better...doubtful. Most of the time we vote, we have to hold our nose and vote for the better of two evils.

Here is what I hear from the GOP and tell me if I am wrong...lower taxes, less regulation on business and spend less.

My question is less regulation on business, how? Small business...fine! They are the lifeblood of our economy. Big corporations...scary!

Spend less on what? Education? Have more dumb people. Social Security? That's a sacred cow. Defense? GOP has never touched that one.

Bush didn't pay for his tax cuts, Medicare Part D or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...he added it to the gov't MasterChinaCard! Obama hasn't helped the debt but he didn't bring it all on us. Obama didn't stop the corporate welfare but he didn't start it. Much of this was brewing for the past 8 years and it obviously is going to take more than 2 to fix the disaster. It may take more than the next 2 to fix it too. Microwave fixes don't exist...it takes time to get somewhere and it takes time to turn back.

If one of us are deeply in debt, quitting our job or taking a huge cut in pay is not a means to paying off that debt. You usually have to look at cutting expenses and raising your income. Both need to be done.

You can only collect so many taxes from the poor and middle class...they simply don't have the money. The wealthiest 2% control upwards of 90% of our wealth...whether fair or not, the burden falls to them.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
The wealthiest 2% control upwards of 90% of our wealth...whether fair or not, the burden falls to them.
The burden falls on them, when you live under socialism or communism.

Originally Posted by 2stroked
Sadly, I have found that when trying to debate silly little things like reality with Liberals, union members, K-Mac and the Borg, resistance is futile.
I'm seeing your point play out here. I thought that the progressives were intellectually superior to "Tea Party" types like me. Sometimes it seems like ramblings from someone who's living under a rock.

Must have missed the reports of illegal immigrants voting in elections, not registered legally.

The views of some people on the radio and TV scare someone while a large portion of our county is expressing profound concern about the direction our elected representatives are taking our country.

A lie now isn't wrong if previous presidents have lied also.

Hearing something but not listening. Not understanding.

Of corse the untimate, blame Bush for the failings of others.




I want to apologize to the OP. I've hijacked this thread. What the main stream media is doing is important for us all to observe. There is no objectivity. There is an undeniable agenda. We can thank the vast majority of media outlets for doing what they, and the Obama administration accuse, without evidence, one cable news network of doing, misinforming people in our country. The problem is, it's been done so often as of late, it's hardly a surprize when it's exposed.
 
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:51 AM
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Sadly, I have found that when trying to debate silly little things like reality with Liberals, union members, K-Mac and the Borg, resistance is futile.
A post for the ages!
 
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:37 AM
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Yes. Perhaps I shouldn't take what our president said while campaigning as literally as some take what an entertainer on the radio says.

Obama said ANY taxes. His buddy Deval Patrick raised all sorts of taxes and fees here in MA. You're right, that can't rest on the shoulders of the Obama administration, but if you look at what he said out of context, like many progressives do to entertainers and news contributers, you might say that Obama lied when he said that he wouldn't raise ANY taxes on anyone making under 250k.

Maybe I'm nit picking a little here, but our president did in fact lie when he said that HE wouldn't raise ANY taxes on anyone making under 250k. HE increased a federal tax by the largest amount since its introduction in 1951. On tobacco. This tax increase hits people making under 250k the hardest.

It's pretty obvious that our president isn't going to be able to keep his promise. With all the new entitlement spending he's promised, he'll have to come up with excuses to justify breaking his promise.
Not to mention I'll be having my income increased by about 12k (about 9k was paid by my boss) due to my health insurance being taxable now in addition to increasing the bottom limit for health care deductions. That 12k puts me dangerously close to having to pay the AMT. Which also serves to decrease the amount of deductions I can take. So yeah, I am paying much more in taxes and the wife and I don't make anywhere near 120k. Obama's promise that I won't pay a dime in increased taxes is costing me about an extra 3k in federal taxes.
 
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:28 AM
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A post for the ages!
Thank you sir.

My whole family went full goose bozo liberal on me during the last presidential election. Imagine my pain in not being able to carry on an intelligent conversation with any of them since then. At least if they got the Borg headgear, you'd be able to tell from a distance ...
 



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