Buck - this is part of what I mean about "consequences". If we don't take responsibility for our own actions, we make everyone else responsible for us. From your other posts, I doubt this is what you want - my guess is, you take care of yourself and, if through no fault of his own there's a neighbor in need, you'll "pitch in" (and so would I).

Have I mis-judged you?

- Jack

 

Jack i live out in the sticks and am over 50% off the grid. i do have fire protection but i have my own 7hp honda pump attached to my pond that can pump water faster than the fire company can get here (as long as i am home). I have wood heat, solar power, a wind mill generating 10% of what i use. i have spring water and a septic and i like it this way but i always help out always!!, i plow neighbors driveways in the winter, i help them with building things and getting firewood ready, it's what i do...
I agree we all need to take responsibility for our actions but there is NO WAY i would have stood there and did nothing if it were my neighbor i'd be there in a heartbeat to help out.. I do understand what the guys are saying here 75 bucks is meaningless these days and he should have paid it.

 

Yeah, Buck is off the grid and by the pond but, he ain't telling the whole story.
His house isn't made out of sticks or bricks.....

 

you need help!!!

 

Bucky is "off the grid" allright,
If you think his winter house is bad, you should check out his summer place:

 

Why should any Professonal Firefighter risk his life for a cheap tax deadbeat!!! I am totally in agreement with them! Fire & Police services come with a price!!!

 

So you are saying firefighters and police should make a moral assessment of the victims before they decide to help?

That's a slippery slope.

 

No, he is saying that if you do not pay for a service, then you do not get a service. If he was in the city limits with the city FD then this would be okay to get upset about. But he knew the risks, he made his choices, and he has to pay the consequences.

He knew about the fee, just didnt pay it.

 

And, to get slightly off the subject of "paying" but to stay with "responsibility", fire response crews (at least here in Arizona) are not obligated to try to save someone's house in the woods, in the event of a forest fire, if that homeowner did not provide a "defensible" space around his home. That defensible space must be clear of brush and low-hanging tree limbs. I think it is a 50 ft radius, but I might be wrong. Again, if you're negligent, there are consequences.

And Buck, I would have tried to help too. But, a trailer fire? I doubt much could have been done by anyone.

- Jack

 

Yeah I agree. And im assuming it is an older trailer so it probably was engulfed in a matter of minutes.

 

To protect and to serve.......

 

Some of you get it some of you don't. What surprises me are the fellow firefighters who don't understand all of the ramifications involved here.

I'm going to break this down to kindergarden level.

• I have a firetruck and I protect Joe and Bob for $10 a year.
• I have offered my service to Tom who needs protection and doesn't have it but he declined/'forgot.'
• Tom has a fire should I go?
• What happens to me when I go to fight Tom's fire and Bob's house catches fire?
• Didn't I have a contract with Bob to protect his property?
• Aren't I now in breach of that contract?
• Isn't Bob about to be the proud owner of a fire truck and most of my possessions?

Do you people now understand what's going on? If jerky boy Cranick had paid the fee the county had established in 1990! he might still have a house. The city fire department did absolutely the right thing. If they want fire protection they need to pay for the service like the rest of the citizenry.

Our dept got placed between the same rock and hard place for several years. Luckily we never had any structure fires in our 'no man's land.' We advised the resident's there that they would get exactly one firetruck from us, no more. We couldn't afford to divert any more trucks from our response area per our contract with our ESD.

And BTW, no one forced Cranick or anyone else to live in these areas w/o fire protection...

 

Yep.

Hey, in my city there are thousands of houses that are vacant, in foreclosure or in arrears on their property taxes. Blame Bush or blame Obama if you must, but times are tough and property taxes/fire insurance might just fall behind.

Some of those 'cheap tax deadbeats' simply can't afford to pay their property taxes anymore. Those 'cheap tax deadbeats' don't have guaranteed government jobs from which they can't be fired. Those deadbeats may have been paying property taxes, sales taxes, business taxes, income taxes and taxes up the ying yang all their lives, but have fallen on hard times.

How hard? Well, let's just say they don't even have retirement plans and pensions at all, much less generous ones.

 

Well said Dave!

 

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So what does Joe have to do with the rest of your story. Haha I know what you ment.

I agree with you. Miss payment, miss protection