health care bill
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From: Memphis
Had our Nation left schools and roads to the private market we would have been a disorganized and broke nation. Public schooling was the very foundation that made the U.S. such a force to reckon with during WWII. Same goes for public roads. Do you really believe we would have had the manufacturing infrastructure in place without public roads and schools?
Do you have proof to back that up? We can play the 'what if' game all day long and no one would agree. If people have the total freedom to do what they wish with their money, they will be a happy and prosperous nation.
Ha! Teachers unions don't "suck up most of the money". That's laughable! The public school system is the most cost effective education system in the country. Private schools cost is sky high, only the richest can afford them. That's because they still have to pay the teachers a living wage and heat and maintain the buildings.
Public school teachers pay is what takes up most of the costs of public education. Because they are union, they are bribing the government (which we pay for) about their pay. In a private sector, if teachers bribe, they get fired. Many private teachers are paid about half of what public school teachers are paid.
That is just ignorance speaking. Privatizing K-12 education would not reduce the problems you mention, it would increase them. Those problems will exist regardless of who funds the education system.
What is your proof? When you have private schools, people are allowed to choose what schools their children will attend. The schools that have crappy teachers, crappy buildings, crappy programs, crappy sports, ect will go out of business.
And I disagree that creating "future rappers" is a problem. It's not a music style I appreciate but there is nothing wrong with aspiring to be a successful or popular artist. I'll let the free market take care of that but it doesn't really have anything to do with public vs. private funding of schools.
They have the freedom to do whatever they want, it's just that I would advise against modern day rappers that promote evil over good, wrong over right, and the actions that lead to failure over those that lead to success... Rap is at full throttle among most public and inner city school kids. I don't want to ban anything but just point out that it's not good stuff. Maybe if the artists were not so messed in the head, my opinion of rap would be better.
Do you have proof to back that up? We can play the 'what if' game all day long and no one would agree. If people have the total freedom to do what they wish with their money, they will be a happy and prosperous nation.
Ha! Teachers unions don't "suck up most of the money". That's laughable! The public school system is the most cost effective education system in the country. Private schools cost is sky high, only the richest can afford them. That's because they still have to pay the teachers a living wage and heat and maintain the buildings.
Public school teachers pay is what takes up most of the costs of public education. Because they are union, they are bribing the government (which we pay for) about their pay. In a private sector, if teachers bribe, they get fired. Many private teachers are paid about half of what public school teachers are paid.
That is just ignorance speaking. Privatizing K-12 education would not reduce the problems you mention, it would increase them. Those problems will exist regardless of who funds the education system.
What is your proof? When you have private schools, people are allowed to choose what schools their children will attend. The schools that have crappy teachers, crappy buildings, crappy programs, crappy sports, ect will go out of business.
And I disagree that creating "future rappers" is a problem. It's not a music style I appreciate but there is nothing wrong with aspiring to be a successful or popular artist. I'll let the free market take care of that but it doesn't really have anything to do with public vs. private funding of schools.
They have the freedom to do whatever they want, it's just that I would advise against modern day rappers that promote evil over good, wrong over right, and the actions that lead to failure over those that lead to success... Rap is at full throttle among most public and inner city school kids. I don't want to ban anything but just point out that it's not good stuff. Maybe if the artists were not so messed in the head, my opinion of rap would be better.
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From: Blue Ridge Mountains, GA
The so-called public option does not need to be specified in the actual bill. Once this 2000+plus page bill is passed, all it takes in the future is "policy changes" to modify the bill by literally any administration over time to accomplish it. This is why many Americans are rabidly against it, in any form.
This is the reason (and also the huge unsustainable deficits it creates) why the bill will not be fully enforced until January 2013, after the next presidential election.
Read all about the changes that can come later to "qualified plan.":http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html
This is the reason (and also the huge unsustainable deficits it creates) why the bill will not be fully enforced until January 2013, after the next presidential election.
Read all about the changes that can come later to "qualified plan.":http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html
Last edited by Frank S; Nov 9, 2009 at 03:24 PM.
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This is the reason (and also the huge unsustainable deficits it creates) why the bill will not be fully enforced until January 2013, after the next presidential election.
Read all about the changes that can come later to "qualified plan.":http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html
Read all about the changes that can come later to "qualified plan.":http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html
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From: Western Massachusetts
The health care system in this country does need help. We need reform. It's just that a majority of Americans know that the proposed legislation doesn't address the actual problems with the current system.
We, thoes of us who haven't been coerced by the hollywood-esqe, inside the beltway politicians, know that the reform that we need should be molded with common sense.
I know that there are only a few of us on this board, and even fewer concerned enough to even discuss our out of control government; but please, we need to let the people who are supposed to be our representatives know how we feel about the fleecing they are about to pull on us.
If they don't hear from us, (I'm pretty sure that most of them aren't reading the boards here at F150Online.com) be it on the phone or in person, they are going to assume that we are just a majority of complacent Americans. That's not what I see every day, and I'm in Massachusetts for cripes sakes. I see a lot of people who don't like what's going on. It's just that people have lives to live and frankly, haven't ever found it necessary to contact their representatives. They might not even know how. It's easy thought.
http://www.senate.gov/index.htm
http://www.house.gov/
This legislation isn't a done deal yet. Both houses will be voting on this again, so contact all of your reps. House and senate.
We, thoes of us who haven't been coerced by the hollywood-esqe, inside the beltway politicians, know that the reform that we need should be molded with common sense.
I know that there are only a few of us on this board, and even fewer concerned enough to even discuss our out of control government; but please, we need to let the people who are supposed to be our representatives know how we feel about the fleecing they are about to pull on us.
If they don't hear from us, (I'm pretty sure that most of them aren't reading the boards here at F150Online.com) be it on the phone or in person, they are going to assume that we are just a majority of complacent Americans. That's not what I see every day, and I'm in Massachusetts for cripes sakes. I see a lot of people who don't like what's going on. It's just that people have lives to live and frankly, haven't ever found it necessary to contact their representatives. They might not even know how. It's easy thought.
http://www.senate.gov/index.htm
http://www.house.gov/
This legislation isn't a done deal yet. Both houses will be voting on this again, so contact all of your reps. House and senate.