The Constitution and Bill of Rights Ammendments do not recognize a fetus as having the same rights bestowed upon adults. That is a religious value judgement. Our country has a seperation between church (of any religion) and State.



Our form of government is a democratic republic. The Pledge of Allegiance? Now that is rich! Do you even know the history of that pledge? First of all, it was not even written until 1892. The meaning of the words "the Republic" is simply "the Nation" not that it was not a democratic nation. And the words "under God" were not added until 1954. That turned it into a public prayer and, IMO, made it unconstitutional. The authors of our Constitution would have been appalled.

Oh, I almost forgot. The author of the Pledge of Allegiance was a Socialist. No bull.


Agreed, the government should not waste our money (or any other resource for that matter). Our founders knew that we would need to constantly strive to keep goverment working for the people and to not lapse into tyranny. Which roads are built/repaired is ussually decided by local governments. Maybe you should look at who you guys are electing down there (and for what reasons you elect them). Better government is always a good thing.


The deficit spending was started by his predecessor with unprecedented spending (while simultaneously cutting taxes for the richest 5% of all americans). The financial ruin left in George Bush's wake is so large that not even the most fiscally conservative leader could hope to dig us out in under a decade. In fact, cutting spending would be exactly the wrong thing to do in the current cliamate. That is why the economic stimulus plans of both the current administration and the previous administration had such wide support from economists, business leaders and, yes, our representatives in Congress. The current administration is just trying to insure that the entire economic system doesn't unravel at the seams which was a very real possibility (and still is although to a much lesser extent). And yes, this does take unprecedented spending and a real effort to not raise taxes on the people who can least afford it. That is exactly what the current administration is doing.

But if you want to talk about wasteful spending, check out the era of big Hallibuton contracts in Iraq and Afganistan. Don't for a minute think the current administration is more wasteful than the last. The current administration is the one charged with fixing this sinking ship they were handed.

 

i do
im happy with who i elected
smaller gov is better gov
you think this "sinking ship" is fixed.?
Fiscally liberal george bush, not fiscally conservative W mind you, got us into soo much debt protecting us from terrorism. So lets elect a all-around liberal Obama that we kno nothing about and see if he can speend more money for us and produce less debt. "thats rich"

 

First of all, the insurance companies are not making an out of line profit. That argument is used by the democrats. But it has been shown there profits are in line with other industries. A lot of the problem is... again.. with the government. A lot of state governments require insurance companies to have coverage that is just plain stupid. Why should a insurance company HAVE to offer drug treatment? Or mental health? Or hair implants? Or invitro fertilization? Or hundreds of other "services"? This costs every one higher premiums. Insurance should be allowed to offer different plans for peoples needs. Young 20 somes don't need a lot of insurance. Or non at all. Insurance companies should be able to compete across state lines, like auto insurance can. This would lower costs.
Think about this. They passed a bill that will cost the tax payers a trillion dollars or more. If they did the steps I suggested above, and just insured people who really couldn't afford it by paying the premium to existing insurance companies, the bill would be a few billion. For 1 trillion dollars, they could pay everyone in the US enough money to buy there own insurance for many years. Same with the stimulus package. For the money they spent, they could give every man woman and child a lot of money. Just stupidity at it's finest.

 

Roadways should have been left to private funding. Why make me pay money for many roads I will never use? If citizens want to collect money to have a road built, that is fine. If a private citizen would like to build a road and put in toll booths to pay for it, that is fine.

What isn't fine is government spending money on roads that many people wont use and forcing people out of their houses and off their land because they can dictate where they will lay the road. It's happened to my grandmother, gave her a 30 day notice and then it's all gone.

Schooling should be left to the market. Public schooling is bad because of teachers unions (sucking up most of the money), kids being forced to go to a certain school (no freedom of choice), parents getting money taken out of their pockets to fund public schools instead of leaving them alone and allowing them to choose a school to attend.

Take a look at all the nice private schools with no teachers unions (good teachers), that have better programs, that are smaller and more focused on the individual and not a class of 200+ kids. That is what all the schools would look like without public schooling... the prices of private school would be much cheaper due to more competition.

Public schooling when started by the first congress I would say was a good system because they avoided all these things I mentioned, but now public schools are just breeding grounds for future rappers, gangbangers, STD's, ignorance, and future welfare takers.

 

at this point all we can do is remember who voted for this health care bill and all the other country destroying ideas and vote them out.

its not even hard to remember names, just look for the big "D" next to the name.

once these bills are passed and the money starts getting handed out like any other entitlement program or welfare it will never be able to be stopped. its like a runaway freight train.

soon it will be foolish to work. got free health care, 4500.00 towards a new car, 8000.00 bucks towards a house along with mortgage help if needed, 300.00 bucks back for the new refrigerator to store your beer in next to the WIC and welfare tv dinners and lets not forget that big old check that comes on the first of the month.

 

You are mis-informed. The non-partisan congressional budget office is required by law to calculate the cost of the bill. They determined it will result in a net savings.

Contrary to what the anti-health care reform people want you to believe, the bill is not so much about giving away free medical care, it's primary focus is on holding the health insurance industry accountable and bringing down costs.

You can't believe everything you hear.

 

But you can?

 

The "slippery slope". The lamest of all argument strategies.

 

Had our Nation left schools and roads to the private market we would have been a disorganized and broke nation. Public schooling was the very foundation that made the U.S. such a force to reckon with during WWII. Same goes for public roads. Do you really believe we would have had the manufacturing infrastructure in place without public roads and schools?

Ha! Teachers unions don't "suck up most of the money". That's laughable! The public school system is the most cost effective education system in the country. Private schools cost is sky high, only the richest can afford them. That's because they still have to pay the teachers a living wage and heat and maintain the buildings.

That is just ignorance speaking. Privatizing K-12 education would not reduce the problems you mention, it would increase them. Those problems will exist regardless of who funds the education system.

And I disagree that creating "future rappers" is a problem. It's not a music style I appreciate but there is nothing wrong with aspiring to be a successful or popular artist. I'll let the free market take care of that but it doesn't really have anything to do with public vs. private funding of schools.

 

No. Of course I don't believe everything I hear. The point is, you should become informed (as opposed to misinformed) before you spout off.

Don't just throw your hands up in dispair and say "Oh, I just don't know WHAT to believe anymore!".

The problem is, people would rather latch onto soundbites that "sound good" and resonate with their gut than actually become a critical thinker.

This nation was founded by men who had excellent critical thinking skills.

 

That's what I'm talking about. No critical thinking skills here.

 

Well said. Many Americans parrot the same lies and half-truths that the administration that they support endorses. The medical insurance companies' profit margins are between 3-9%. That is close for any business.

If one thinks they're going to get heath care without rationing under a public option, think again. Only the rich oligarchs will get the best care. That is why Congress will still have their own plan.

 

Be careful what you wish for. There's a reason the CBO has shown there will now be a profit... Personally I'm not really looking forward to paying 20 percent of my income on healthcare!

The CBO analysis estimates that the weak public option in the House plan might attract only about 6 million people, or about a fifth of the 30 people purchasing insurance on the exchange by 2019. The public option would also most likely attract the sickest people, who would end up paying higher premiums than those offered by private insurers.

According to CBO estimates, an individual earning $44,000 before taxes will have to pay $5,300 in annual premiums and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year—or about 17 percent of his or her pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes would pay $15,000 in premiums plus $5,300 out-of-pocket, or $20,300 total—20 percent of the family’s pre-tax income.

The CBO also estimates 18 million people will still be uninsured!!

The CBO estimates that the House bill would still leave 18 million people uninsured by 2019, including about 6 million undocumented immigrants. The Senate Finance Committee’s version of legislation, which Obama has broadly endorsed, would leave about 25 million without insurance, according to the CBO.

http://www.countercurrents.org/randall091109.htm

 

Your statement is half-true, half false.

The bill will only result in a savings if tax receipts are restored to pre-recession levels. If unemployment continues, (which most non-government economists say it will), the corollary will be massive, and I mean massive deficits until at least 2019. Then it's a game of catch-up, if you will, after that. The administration even admits that they will not be able to eliminate all 60 billion dollars of medicare "fraud" each year. You can never 'completely' eliminate fraud.

Remember, the federal government used to say that the post office would be profitable one day, yet they lose between 1-2 billion dollars/year.

 

Most of us here think just fine and think for ourselves. I don't recall ever having been accused of not thinking, in fact, have been accused for thinking too much. Just because someone disagrees with your way of thinking is very presumptious on your part to accuse them of not being able or willing to think.

I agree that we tend to "latch onto soundbites that "sound good" and resonate with their gut" . I am guilty just as you are. That is the point. You choose to accept and believe what you wish, and I do as well. It is just about 180 degrees opposite. That is what makes the world go around. You throw it out there as if it's the only correct answer, and we are stupid not to agree.