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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:21 AM
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Now you're reading too much into what I said. How do you get that I don't like Ford vehicles? I think the F150 is a dynamite truck and would really like to have an f250 with a diesel engine. Some day, maybe. And, I've probably been driving Ford vehicles since before you were born, unless you were born before 1963? My parents owned Ford products before that and, I learned to drive a manual shift Ford when I got my first license. Please don't suggest I don't like Fords.

I simply said I wished there was a way to get the power I needed in a more economical way. And, I don't have to use the "monster" to drive to the hardware store, do I?

You are, of course, entitled to your opinions about global warming, just as I am. One of us is going to be proven right, probably in the not too distant future. I'm concerned about that future, even though I'm probably not going to live to see it. My Children and Grandchildren and probably YOU, will. I hope, for your sakes, it's at least the beautiful planet we see today.

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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:22 AM
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Obama think, ...Obama has best interests of the Nation, ...Obama represent the Nation, .

BTW, when did you retire?
Fair question - I retired in May, 2007. It had nothing to do with who was, or was not, President.

After 40+ years of working for other people, first in the Air Force and then in the University, I decided it was time to do something for myself. Fortunately, I'd planned for that day and was able to do it.

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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:29 AM
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Fair question - I retired in May, 2007. It had nothing to do with who was, or was not, President.

After 40+ years of working for other people, first in the Air Force and then in the University, I decided it was time to do something for myself. Fortunately, I'd planned for that day and was able to do it.

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What year did you retire from the AF...how many yrs?
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:01 AM
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I am not saying those that oppose President Obama are racist. However, those that use racist posters and such to demonstrate against the president are being outwardly racist. Due to their stupidity, they destroy whatever message they may bring to the table.

As far as saying this administration has spent more than the rest combined is false. The debt was around 10 trillion when W left office and it is a little over 12 trillion today.

I understand everyone being upset about the lazy people who are able bodied that sit at home watching Springer all day instead of getting a job. But guess what? We already support them with benefits.

The ones I would like to see covered under some kind of health insurance are those that work but cannot get insurance from their employer and truly cannot afford coverage. Ever try getting a private policy with pre-existing conditions. An alcoholic with 20 DUI's has a better chance of walking into a car insurance agency and getting a low risk policy than a diabetic has of getting a health insurance policy. This is why there has been a fight for health insurance through 2 different democratic presidents.

As far as the lazy deadbeats on society that do nothing and chose to do nothing...they should suffer.

On the environment, yes the pictures of animals dying and stuff is over the top. We can try to take steps to lessen pollution without being tree huggers. I heard someone at a car show complaining they could no longer get leaded gasoline anymore. I mean we knew that was quite toxic in the early 1900's...can't hardly argue with that one can we?

Priuses and Smart cars aren't going to save the environment but what little industry we have left can take steps to be more sound environmentally. This also needs to come from around the world too as it can't just be the US...it is everyone.
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:03 AM
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Jack...when you said and i quote.."Yes - I drive an F150 that is technically a "gas guzzler". I'd rather not have to do this"...idont think im reading to much into that. I think thats what you said not saying you dont tho now that you cleared that up i got ya and thats sumthin we have in common! Im sure the planet will be alright...where the ones suppoosedly "killing" this planet...I guess big gov will have to step in and regulate us so we don't kill our planet. Big Gov can do ne thing...ya right! This is what liberals want control and when they get the US transformed into a socialist type gov the only rich ones will be the ones at the top...we will rely on them which is what they want!

You ever heard...."Beware of those that ride on the backs of the poor..." There is a political party that does this and they also want illigals in! the more poor immigrants we let in the longer we will be able to stay in power! this is gotta be what there thinkin...cause no one is perfect. control and money thats what it comes down too!
Have you heard "money is the root of all evil"
money can make the nicest most caring person greedy and do whatever.
my opinion
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
I am not saying those that oppose President Obama are racist. However, those that use racist posters and such to demonstrate against the president are being outwardly racist. Due to their stupidity, they destroy whatever message they may bring to the table.

As far as saying this administration has spent more than the rest combined is false. The debt was around 10 trillion when W left office and it is a little over 12 trillion today.

I understand everyone being upset about the lazy people who are able bodied that sit at home watching Springer all day instead of getting a job. But guess what? We already support them with benefits.

The ones I would like to see covered under some kind of health insurance are those that work but cannot get insurance from their employer and truly cannot afford coverage. Ever try getting a private policy with pre-existing conditions. An alcoholic with 20 DUI's has a better chance of walking into a car insurance agency and getting a low risk policy than a diabetic has of getting a health insurance policy. This is why there has been a fight for health insurance through 2 different democratic presidents.

As far as the lazy deadbeats on society that do nothing and chose to do nothing...they should suffer.

On the environment, yes the pictures of animals dying and stuff is over the top. We can try to take steps to lessen pollution without being tree huggers. I heard someone at a car show complaining they could no longer get leaded gasoline anymore. I mean we knew that was quite toxic in the early 1900's...can't hardly argue with that one can we?

Priuses and Smart cars aren't going to save the environment but what little industry we have left can take steps to be more sound environmentally. This also needs to come from around the world too as it can't just be the US...it is everyone.
why are we talking about racism? racist ppl who actually judge ppl for the color of there skin is a very very small number....specially my younger generation!
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
RileyDog, since you directed this specifically at me, I'm letting it ride. I vote for people who seem to be able to think and, who seem to have the best interests of the Nation at heart. These are the people who, in my mind, represent this Nation I spent 20 years of my life in the service of. And, my friend, what have YOU done in the service of YOUR country? Just asking, of course - you don't have to answer at all.

And, my friend, just so you'll know - I'm an Air Force pilot, no coke, no marijuana, no acid, 12 hours between the bottle and the throttle and, I can spot a fake "patriot" miles away.

But, I meant my "reformed conservative" comment in a light-hearted way. I have many staunchly conservative friends - we are able to trade good-natured jabs without resorting to character-smearing comments.

- Jack
From your posts, you seem like a stand up guy, and I'm sure you service shaped your views (shaped my dad's, uncle's, etc.). At 23 I'm idealistic, and broken (knee has been broken, so my service has been limited to voting, campaigning, writing, etc. No armed forces service as of yet).

My comment was meant in sarcastic light (obama, coke, you get the idea...). But otherwise, I understand your post, and in rereading my comment, it was harsh (not intentionally, as the tone infliction is lost via test). Hence, my apologies if it was offensive. I mock my dad for becoming a "communist" as of late. He basically initially initiated me into the Republican party, but as I decided that major parties were not as in touch with real American principles, he has become Democrat. It's just jabs (but in person, they obviously take a different note).

I'd called myself a "reformed major party member," actually. Different views, different opinions, and that's all acceptable to me....so long as such a person is open-minded and informed (such as you appear to be).

There are too many HuffPo worshipers, Obama worshipers, Bush bowers & FoxNews disciples.
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
I am not saying those that oppose President Obama are racist. However, those that use racist posters and such to demonstrate against the president are being outwardly racist. Due to their stupidity, they destroy whatever message they may bring to the table.

As far as saying this administration has spent more than the rest combined is false. The debt was around 10 trillion when W left office and it is a little over 12 trillion today.

I understand everyone being upset about the lazy people who are able bodied that sit at home watching Springer all day instead of getting a job. But guess what? We already support them with benefits.

The ones I would like to see covered under some kind of health insurance are those that work but cannot get insurance from their employer and truly cannot afford coverage. Ever try getting a private policy with pre-existing conditions. An alcoholic with 20 DUI's has a better chance of walking into a car insurance agency and getting a low risk policy than a diabetic has of getting a health insurance policy. This is why there has been a fight for health insurance through 2 different democratic presidents.

As far as the lazy deadbeats on society that do nothing and chose to do nothing...they should suffer.

On the environment, yes the pictures of animals dying and stuff is over the top. We can try to take steps to lessen pollution without being tree huggers. I heard someone at a car show complaining they could no longer get leaded gasoline anymore. I mean we knew that was quite toxic in the early 1900's...can't hardly argue with that one can we?

Priuses and Smart cars aren't going to save the environment but what little industry we have left can take steps to be more sound environmentally. This also needs to come from around the world too as it can't just be the US...it is everyone.
That may be your opinion, that they destroy the message. But there are people that believe just like they do, and think they are going about it in the right way. Just like there is someone else in this world that would probably agree with everything you agree on.

I did not say administration. I was referring to presidents in the US history.

The kind of healthcare that supports low income, and people who otherwise cant manage to get it on their own.. I support that. We already have that implemented. Now days, kids can go get shots at school for free. That part of healthcare does not need to change. You can go down to a med clinic and get things done for free or pennies on the dollar if need be due to the current system provided you can prove low income or a lack of insurance. A "national" heath care.. "Obamacare" if you will.. I will not approve of. I do not and will not agree with being forced into a national health care provided that I dont want to keep my current. I have the right to get whatever kind of health care that I want to get from whom ever I want to get it. I appreciate the attempt, but its not going to pass or go through. There are too many people against it.

There is only one issue that comes with that. You cant have people like Hillary going off to different countries trying to apologize for my truck polluting the air. Thats pathetic, and down right embarrassing. You can not go into other countries and try to tell them to implement Cafe standards, because countries like China and India(which are way better off than us right now) have no desire to restrict their economy. Thats one of the reasons why we keep digging our selves an even bigger hole. If you present it in a way that inspires "global awareness" more so than little polar bears dying because all the ice melting, then maybe we might have been taken more seriously. I know that may sound like a juvenile example, but in all reality its just about that simple.
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
I am not saying those that oppose President Obama are racist. However, those that use racist posters and such to demonstrate against the president are being outwardly racist. Due to their stupidity, they destroy whatever message they may bring to the table.
Since you decided to bring race into the picture (like many do).....what exact poster(s) do you deem racists? Are these the same that Bush was confronted with? If so, did you consider it racist than.....or, since Obama is half-Black it must be racist now? You sure you're not implying your own racists views?

I agree they're nut cases out there, but those folks do not represent the far reaching majority who demonstrate against this administration. Sure, some folks are racists....White, Black, Brown, Yellow, etc. A typical Liberal trick is to right away invoke the race card....but, like I said, it's overplayed.
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:06 AM
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Since you decided to bring race into the picture (like many do).....what exact poster(s) do you deem racists? Are these the same that Bush was confronted with? If so, did you consider it racist than.....or, since Obama is half-Black it must be racist now? You sure you're not implying your own racists views?

I agree they're nut cases out there, but those folks do not represent the far reaching majority who demonstrate against this administration. Sure, some folks are racists....White, Black, Brown, Yellow, etc. A typical Liberal trick is to right away invoke the race card....but, like I said, it's overplayed.
I agree
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:18 AM
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Just gonna pose a question here....What was that radical church in chicago called? Who attended it for 20 sumthin years? Wasn't there sum racism going on there? Who was it that attended that church?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0

Is that racist?
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:21 AM
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 07:30 AM
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Further, I pointed out in Art 1, Sec 8 that Congress is to provide for our welfare.........
And what exactly does that mean? Our welfare?

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You know the intent of the founding fathers when it suits you? A more thourough look into the intent of the general welfare clause may not support your opinion as stongly as you might think. It is my understanding that the gneneral welfare was ment to encompass general interests of Learning, of Agriculture, of Manufactures, and of Commerce. If you view this clause as encompassing health care, wouldn't you have to include housing, food, clothing, jobs, ect. ect.? The list could be expanded to encompass every aspect of our lives.
People using the general welfare clause to support their belief that the federal government (tax payers) should be responsible for funding health care should look into the intent of that clause and also have a look at an often ignored amendment to our Constitution. The 9th.

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights
Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
 
Old Oct 6, 2009 | 08:44 AM
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i don't think im a redneck...im a business major and i just traded in my 2004 acura TL for a truck...Acura's are real redneck cars specially those redneck japanese ppl! lol....if your not American you have no business even arguing about our president. You've driven more roads in America? Good point? you want a cracker? does that prove that your more qualified to be an American or sumthin? Like if your not a US citizen and you like obama good for you but not all of us have to like him yet cause were not socialist as of yet!
i really don't see how it concerns you but if you must kno bottom line i dont like him cause he is a liar, he's never been truthful....he has radical views, radical friends and he is not sumone who imo deserves the position of power he is in i think it is ridicules, and he just doesn't have the knowledge or maturity to run what used to be, especially before him(cause he makes us look weak!) the strongest most pwrful country in the world! I believe things are changing for the worst, you might call it progress tho idk!
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Someone has already suggested you need to learn to spell.
I'm now suggesting you learn to read...at least with COMPREHENSION.
If you don't see how it concerns me (or any one else with an interest in the world ), then you have a problem.


I have made no comments whatsoever about your president and would not be so crasse as to do so.
If you READ carefully I was merely asking why so many posters appear to be anti Obama.....and that is being answered more than satisfactorily.

PS Enjoy being part of the strongest most pwrful (Your spelling) country in the world.
'Cuz it aint goin to las much longer. (Written in your language)

I don't know (Or care) what age you are but I guess in your lifetime, you might want to become Chinese or Indian for that to hold true.

PS If you really are a 'business major' , using your level of spelling, grammar and comprehension, then I really do fear for your future.
 

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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:24 PM
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What year did you retire from the AF...how many yrs?
If it really matters, in 1984, after 20 years and a combat tour in Vietnam. I would have stayed in longer, but personnel wanted to send me on a remote tour in a non-flying job with the DASC (Direct Air Support Center) in Korea. Since I could retire then, I said, "No thanks."

And RileyDog - we're cool. I have a pretty thick skin. Sounds like your Dad and I might have a bit in common. (Must be an "age" thing).

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