Originally Posted by 05RedFX4

Thats news to me, last I heard they had no clue how they were built, only a few theories.

Originally Posted by Norm

Evolution is still a theory.

Originally Posted by 05RedFX4

I was referring to the human race from say 2-3 thousand years ago, if aliens were to come today, I would think that we as a society could tell who they were, as long as the government did not hide the info from us.

I think in the past someone or something has visited this planet and possibly left instructions to the people to build things that were considered impossible with the tools of the time. Take a look at easter island and the statues there, they still have yet to come up with a plausible explanation for them or how they got there.

Originally Posted by 05RedFX4

True, but to me it is more plausible than intelligent design.

Originally Posted by Frank S

I'm not criticizing, but if you actually read a lot on both sides of the issue, you will see that ID is a lot more believable than evolution and the big bang. To think that we are all derived from microbiological soup is really an insult to the human intellect.

Originally Posted by OGTerror

In your "sacred Bible" you'll find that in one battle, followers were instructed by God to not leave anything alive that breaths, "i.e., to kill ever man, woman and child (Deut. 20:16-18). In another passage, God sent two bears to maul several dozen children who teased His prophet (11 Kings 2:23-23) And because the people of Samaria rebelled against God, He commanded that their children be "dashed to the ground" and their pregnant women "ripped open (Hosea 13:16)." And in spite of scientific advances related to the biological origin of our different sexual orientations, plus a widely-held ethical belief that the private sex lives of consenting adults is no one else's business anyway, millions of Americans still believe that gays and lesbians are morally degenerates and going to hell because God says so (Leviticus 20:13; 1Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:9-10) In fact half the states still have laws making homosexual acts, a felony. Fortunately only a few still believe that they should follow Gods command to stone to death those men who engage in such acts. Then there's the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis, in which Lot refused to turnover his tow male guests to the mob. Instead, he offered his two virgin daughters to be raped (Genesis 19:6-8). This is seen as a noble act. Never is there any attention paid to the act that if the mob had raped his daughters, they would most likely have died slow, painful deaths. And if Lot's daughters had lived, they would have been shamed for life, never being able to find husbands, and probably forced to turn to prostitution just to survive. A similar story occurred in Judges 19, only here the girl is raped all night and does die. Again there is no mention of out-rage, or even moral disapproval, at her being turned over to the mod. "I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the fathers to the third and forth generations of those who hate me." [Exodus. 20:6 - Part of the 10 commandments]
I strongly disagree that whatever some god in a "holly book" chooses to do (however cruel, immoral and offensive by today's standards) must be considered good and wise and not questioned. And I don't care how difficult the times were thousands of years ago. Any god who ordered such atrocities as non-virgin brides (not grooms) being put to death on their wedding nights, (Deuteronomy 22:13-20) is certainly not a god worthy of praise today or ever. Demanding death for such offenses is totally unthinkable and barbaric in any civilized society.

Originally Posted by Tumba

I don't understand why people think life is only carbon based. People tend to think if a cognitive creature is not made of the same material we are made of, that it can't exist. There are just to many people that only believe what they are told, and are afraid to stretch their minds.

Originally Posted by mblouir

x2. I always hear scientists and others searching for life elsewhere things like: "oh there's no water there so no life can exist," "there's no atmosphere so life can't be supported," etc....

Who's to say life needs water or anything else we need to exist? I'm with you there 100%.


Everyone should be an agnostic, IMO, because it's impossible to prove 100% the existence of a God or the big bang theory or whatever. It's all speculation and theory, with facts supporting both sides. However, I don't think we will ever know. Sure people can believe one or the other, but they don't know for a fact. What I don't understand is the people saying they know there is a God. They don't know...they simply believe there is.

Originally Posted by mblouir

x2. I always hear scientists and others searching for life elsewhere things like: "oh there's no water there so no life can exist," "there's no atmosphere so life can't be supported," etc....

Who's to say life needs water or anything else we need to exist? I'm with you there 100%.


Everyone should be an agnostic, IMO, because it's impossible to prove 100% the existence of a God or the big bang theory or whatever. It's all speculation and theory, with facts supporting both sides. However, I don't think we will ever know. Sure people can believe one or the other, but they don't know for a fact. What I don't understand is the people saying they know there is a God. They don't know...they simply believe there is.

Originally Posted by Tumba

I am 100% belief in the existence of God.

Originally Posted by Tumba

It may not be the same idea as the next person. But I believe there is a God

Originally Posted by Tumba

I probably would not argue with you about your belief, just as I'll not argue
the point now. You are who you are. I also will not condemn you for your
opinion, because that is not my job. You would remain the same person to
me that you were before. We make the choice, and the relationship with God
is there for the asking. The choice is yours, and that is the purpose of life.
Heaven and Hell are not necessarily places, they are states of mind.
I in no way consider myself perfect, or above anyone else, because of my
beliefs.

Originally Posted by mblouir

x2. I always hear scientists and others searching for life elsewhere things like: "oh there's no water there so no life can exist," "there's no atmosphere so life can't be supported," etc....

Who's to say life needs water or anything else we need to exist? I'm with you there 100%.


Everyone should be an agnostic, IMO, because it's impossible to prove 100% the existence of a God or the big bang theory or whatever. It's all speculation and theory, with facts supporting both sides. However, I don't think we will ever know. Sure people can believe one or the other, but they don't know for a fact. What I don't understand is the people saying they know there is a God. They don't know...they simply believe there is.

Originally Posted by mblouir

I do have a question to pose to those that believe in the Lord. How many of you grew up in the church? By that I mean which ones of you grew up going to church every Sunday with your family and continue to go today?

How many of you did not grow up going to church with your family and made the decision on your own one day to pursue religion?



I'm just curious. Most (if not all) of the people I know that go to church grew up going with their family every week.

Originally Posted by Bluejay

That is as good a definition of Faith as you will find. Faith is what you must have and what will get you the opportunity to see him and know he is real. Faith and living as he instructed to the best of your ability.