Ok Stealth, I'll bite and I have an open mind on this one.

Give me the scientific evidence to prove God exists.

 

So you all call Habibi's statement laughable, insane, etc. but show no evidence to refute his suggested interpretation that thinking and reasoning are to be used for everything but questioning the bible, or God's will. (Based on scripture according to your quotes, he didn't pull this out of his hat.)

 

Here are several of the more popular Bible translations:

NIV© See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
NAS© See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
ISV© See to it that no one enslaves you through philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to the Messiah,
GWT© Be careful not to let anyone rob you [of this faith] through a shallow and misleading philosophy. Such a person follows human traditions and the world's way of doing things rather than following Christ.
KJV Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Don't get caught up in the exact wording and mix today's current meanings with their meanings at the time the books were written.

 

There is no single hard fact that God exists. If there was, it would defeat His purpose of people believing in Him. Anyone that has read the Bible realizes that God wants your faith and love for him.

That does not mean that there is 'nothing' out there to point towards a creator. Science and history are friends to God.

 

Ah, now we're getting somewhere.

This puts "God" into the realm of wishful thinking like the Easter Bunny or :santa:

I'd still like to wait for Stealth's answer as he was the one who made the all encompassing statement that scientific proof of God existed.

 

The proof is everywhere. Look around. God made it all.

 

Sorry Stealth. That is a complete non-answer. You claimed that scientific proof of God existed. Looking around neither proves that he exists or made anything.
Just because you may not understand (or want to understand) how things came into existence, does not mean that "God" made them.

I'm really hoping that you have a better answer than this.

 

Fail.


I see presents under the tree at Christmas time that say "From: Santa" on them, so there's your proof Santa exists. You just gotta have faith.

 

I think what Stealth is trying to say is,

"Look around at the complexity of living life and the order of the universe and everything in it. Then, make the assumption that our complexion and order is, it all just happened by chance or a superior force may have put it in place."

 

Be afraid not, to "question authority"!
I don't have faith I'm often told. But faith in what? Faith in a god who is so uncaring and so sparing in miracles that he "miraculously" spares a child in an earthquake he created, (since "they" believe God created everything) while 5000 others die? These kinds of skeptical questions opens the religious *Pandora's Box.

*"To “open a Pandora's box” is to create an uncontrollable situation that will cause great grief." Example: "....Avoid the Godless mixture of contradictory notions which is falsely known as 'knowledge' --some have followed it and lost their faith."

 

I've posted the paragraph below at the begining of the post, just wanted to refresh your mind based the statement you made.


Does history provide an evidence for God? Will Durant, the noted historian and author of the 11 volume Story of Civilization, has this to say in his valuable little book, Lessons of History; "If by god we mean not the creative vitality of nature, but a supreme being, intelligent and benevolent, the answer must be a reluctant negative. Like other departments of biology, history remains at bottom a natural selection of the fittest individuals and groups in a struggle wherein goodness receive no favors, misfortunes abound, and the final test is the ability to survive." (57) Add to the crimes, wars, and cruelties of man, earthquakes, storms, tornadoes, pestilence, tidal waves, and other "acts of God" that periodically desolate human and animal life. And the total evidence suggests either a blind or an impartial fatality, with incidental and apparently haphazard scenes to which we subjectively ascribe order splendor, beauty, or sublimeness.

 

Are you trying to tell us that Santa doesn't exist?!

Oh Jesus!!!

 

Careful with what we say now, The Punisher is in the house!
((((((((((((((((RUNNNNNN))))))))))))))

 

It looks like the author is trying to imply that 'if' there is a God, His sense of order is unkind to humankind... There is order but only to an extent.

The structure of man himself has order within limits, mans actions have no order. Freedom of choice/actions of men are to blame, not God. (Don't blame the gun for the shooting, blame the shooter) This is where God's instillment of morals comes into place. (Bible: ten commandments, stories, teachings, parables, sermons, ect.) God gave man the freedom of choice but gave man the right choices (to choose) to make.

Look at the societies that depart from good choices compared to the societies that make bad choices. For example, look at the U.S. and Israel. These 2 countries have made the most technological advancements, give a higher standard of living, allow for more success, have more freedom, and offer greater protection to their people. It just so happens that these 2 countries have followed teachings of the God of the Bible since their very beginning. Their laws are structured under the laws of God. These 2 countries are not filled with people of the 'fittest of survival'. Their laws, freedom, and morals are what give the U.S. and Israel their success. Now the U.S. is slowly departing from Godly teachings, laws, morals... and look at what is happening to us.

The order of the universe and everything in it is self evident. Just to take the earth as example: It's axis, rotation speed, seasons, distance from the sun, distance from the moon, its orbit, ect. If any one of these things goes just a little bit off... we are all dead. All scientists can agree to that fact. Is it just coincidence that life has been maintained for thousands and thousands of years? Maybe you think it is.... I don't.

 

It's up to you to make that decision. All the evidence is there--you see it all at Christmas time. There are many books about him.


But really...I was trying to make the point that you can't understand something simply because you don't understand it (confusing sentence, but reread it). So since we live in such a complex world and can't explain it, God must have made it? That's not fact, that's faith. There's a difference. Faith is not scientific evidence. That was my point.

I used to have faith in Santa, until I learned how it works. We have yet to understand how the world works.





The moon is slowly drifting away from Earth. Eventually this will cause our axis of tilt (and thus, seasons/climate/etc) to change.