When has it ever become anything else?
Consciousness is not at issue is it? Is it OK to kill someone when they are not conscious?
Conscience is not an issue either. Conscience is a learned tool.
Yes it is.

 

I gotcha and understand what you are saying, but you misunderstood my original post. I didn't say I would like to believe in God and praise him. Never said that--never gave the reason why I went to church.

This was about three/four years ago my senior year of high school. I grew up never going to church. The father of one of my good friends from high school is a preacher. Not to put it on him but he more or less pressured me into going those few times. It was new to me and I went merely to try it out.

I didn't go because I want to believe in God---no, no. I went to see what 95% of kids my age went for. To be honest I never felt it. That's why I only went a few times and haven't been back.



Sorry to go OT, just had to clarify.

 

Well since evolution is a joke and I'm in the wrong for supporting democracy and the separation of church and state. Accepting all humans as part of a world community. I'm in favor of women's rights, including the right to terminate and early unwanted pregnancy; and believe that consenting adults should be free to express in private their sexuality in whatever form is right for them.
Maybe you can teach me some of the things you learned while you have been serving your God and have been following the first 5 commandments. The other 5 sounds kinda gay but I'm will to learn, just kidding on that bolded part; any way yeah you wouldn't mind teaching what you've learned. As a matter of fact that is what Jesus wants you to do isn't it, not only to accept him but to preach his word to all you meet. (No sarcasm meant whatsoever)

 

Well, when you talk to your God tell him/her/it that I don't hate anyone or anything.

 

Well since abortionist are killing people I wonder why congress hasn't used the death penalty on them. Well you guys should all force law makers to kill these killer.

 

Your take is incorrect.

You question only because you don't understand. It's the first step to you becoming a believer.

Keep asking questions. It's the only way you'll learn. It's the only way we learn. We are not all knowing, only God is.

The only way you'll learn about Him is to ask questions. The only dumb question is the one not asked.

 

Well if my take is incorrect I don't mind you correcting me, if I am wrong about your God then it is your responsibility to guide me through the right path.

 

Since when has Congress "used" or enforced the death penalty. You insist on making yourself seem unintelligent. It really detracts from any points you are trying to make.

You remind me of a great quote:
"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Think about that for a minute... and think longer before you submit your posts.

 

He's not just my God, he's everyone on the Earth's God, whether you or anyone else acknowledges Him as such or not.

It's not just my responsibility to guide you, it's every believer's responsibility who feels compelled by God they need to guide you. It's your responsibility to ask questions and be led.

 

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the life."

The Pharisees and 'religious' Jews of the time killed Jesus because of jealousy. Even Pontius Pilate knew it.

Everyone has sinned, except Christ. What keeps people from believing is pride, jealousy, and also not wanting to change their lives to be like Christ.

That is not saying that it is possible to live a sinless life, because it isn't. Read the New Testament. Jesus was a very forgiving person, but he also spoke in plain speech. He said that whoever denies Him, He will deny before God. And no one at the Great White Throne Judgment will be left with excuses.

 

When it comes to abortion, I'm a pro-choice guy, but lean heavily on the conservative side of it.
Woman should only be able to consider terminating if:
~ The birth will cause complications which could kill the mother
~ Cases of rape/incest
~ Severe disability, downs sydrome, etc.

Everything is about finding the right balance, some of the nut job right wingers are so uptight they can't fathom any exceptions, and then the hippy left uses abortion as a form of birth control, both sides are wrong.

A little more in the middle wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

I do agree that there should be some exceptions, moreso if it poses a danger to the mother. And in cases of rape, I know I've never been in that situation, but two wrongs don't make a right. Who says God won't make the best out of that situation by blessing you with a wonderful child? And as far as disabilities, do they know for sure this will happen before the child is born? I'm not so sure the mentally retarded aren't better off than anyone else; I have a MR cousin and I've never seen him unhappy.

 

True, but it's extremely arrogant for anyone other than the victom to make that call.

That's debatable, who says He will?

If God cared enough, maybe he would've prevented the rape in the first place, and now faced with a horrific experience, as if that wernt bad enough, the poor victom has the far right calling her a murderer for wanting to abort.
What's wrong with this picture?

Yes, they have comprehensive tests these days that can figure out most of the real bad stuff, and the middle of the road bad stuff.

I think the phrase Mentally retarded is sort of frowned upon these days

As far as being better off, let's be honest, would you want to trade places with someone who has a severe mental disability or whatever the heck we call it these days?
If you answered no, then they arn't better off.

Don't feel bad, I'm a selfish *****, I wouldn't trade either.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

true...which is why I pointed out that I've never been in that situation...that is a tough call for me as well.

Actually my mom teaches kids with special needs and MR is the term used most often. It is what it is.

 

I'm not the guy who would disagree on that point, but I do know that the politically correct world we live in has changed over the years and Mentally Retarded isn't really the term used by professionals anymore.

The words that come to mind which are more appropriate would be
- mentally challenged
- intellectually disabled
- developmentally delayed

Now when I was a young fella, there were all kinds of words when refering to handicapped people
- slow
- touched
- gifted, etc (I never understood the 'gifted', lol)

Let's face it, anyone who has a child who is 'slow' doesn't want to hear them refered to as 'retarded'. I agree with you, it is what it is, but we must be kind and gentle and as a result "retarded' just isn't acceptable anymore.
(Unless of course you use it at the fri night poker game with your pals)

In all seriousness though, I think refering to anyone as 'retarded' regardless of their mental ability is insulting, at least that's how society has ruled.
I'll go with the flow.