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humm my buddy had somthing like that happen to him not to long ago on his lifted bronco with 36's he only had 5 lug nuts outta 8 in the back right and he was drivin and herd bang bang bang bang...he pulled over and one lug nut was holding his tire on. so he bought all new lug nuts and 4 studs and finaly he has 8 on that tire and he put another 3 on the other tire so hey now he has 16 lug nuts on his rear tires holy crap! haha
come on JMC you know theres not to many things in the world that look better than a resently mudded truck!!!
Jbrew you going up north May 1st? should be a blast.
i was asking around and at waren road and 275 theres a mud pit but its illgeal or somthin
come on JMC you know theres not to many things in the world that look better than a resently mudded truck!!!
Jbrew you going up north May 1st? should be a blast.
i was asking around and at waren road and 275 theres a mud pit but its illgeal or somthin
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Just cut it off and use a couple hose clamps.
You could always post in the "Engine" forum for the proper procedure.
You could always post in the "Engine" forum for the proper procedure.
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Answer is NO. A big NO. 8k is barely enough to pull my itty bitty Samurai out of some good stucks. I suggest 9k on Samurai's.
Take the vehicle's weight, multiply it by 2, then go to the NEXT size up.
5k truck x 2 = 10k so I would be looking for one closer to the 12k mark.
I also wouldn't recommend buying used. You don't know what it has been through, what kind of abuse, maintenance, etc. You could be buying a large, pretty paper weight.
Check out the Smitty Built 10k winch. Second one down I think. About the same price as the old Warn, but brand new, and stronger. Much better buy if ya ask me. Smitty built are fine winches. They hold up to normal duty just fine.
http://lowrangeoffroad.com/winches.htm
Plus, Sean over at Low Range is a real stand up guy. Good guy to do business with. He's gotten plenty of my paychecks !
And, how a winch gets its rating is a little more complicated then what was previously stated.
I do know that some winch companies rate the winch at the capacity of the unit and that is where it will "stall." Others rate it at working strength which puts the stall speed much higher, giving a higher capacity overall. In other words, some winches will stall at the rated 9000 pounds and other winches will stall at a higher weight limit, say 11000 pounds, but be rated at 9000 pounds. So choose your winch wisely.
The line speed and amperage draw under load might be important to you. I figure speed is not too important a feature unless I enter another Triathlon or Camel Trophy; as long as the winch pulls me out I'm happy!
Amperage draw is a point to consider. Under normal recreational winching, the average alternator and battery will do the job. I do recommend having at least an 800 or higher rated Cold Cranking amp rating on the battery. Batteries like the Optima can sustain larger draw than some higher rated batteries. The stock alternator on my old Jeep worked fine at 85 amps cold rating. Of course, I went over to the Premier Power Welder alternator that has 160 cold rating.
Alternators are rated when they are "fresh" (that is, cold). When they get hot, they lose capacity fast, so some of the stock units will only put out 30 or so amps when you need it the most. The PPW alternator does not lose its capacity so readily. If you anticipate doing some serious winching, which comes with serious 'wheeling, then change over to heavier componentry. Like I said, though, for the average recreational 4-wheeler, the stock battery and alternator will do fine. Understand, though, that the engine should be running at least 2000 RPM above idle to help the alternator charge the battery
The line speed and amperage draw under load might be important to you. I figure speed is not too important a feature unless I enter another Triathlon or Camel Trophy; as long as the winch pulls me out I'm happy!
Amperage draw is a point to consider. Under normal recreational winching, the average alternator and battery will do the job. I do recommend having at least an 800 or higher rated Cold Cranking amp rating on the battery. Batteries like the Optima can sustain larger draw than some higher rated batteries. The stock alternator on my old Jeep worked fine at 85 amps cold rating. Of course, I went over to the Premier Power Welder alternator that has 160 cold rating.
Alternators are rated when they are "fresh" (that is, cold). When they get hot, they lose capacity fast, so some of the stock units will only put out 30 or so amps when you need it the most. The PPW alternator does not lose its capacity so readily. If you anticipate doing some serious winching, which comes with serious 'wheeling, then change over to heavier componentry. Like I said, though, for the average recreational 4-wheeler, the stock battery and alternator will do fine. Understand, though, that the engine should be running at least 2000 RPM above idle to help the alternator charge the battery
http://www.bb4wa.com/articles/Accessories-winch.htm
The winch rating is a combination of the mechanical capacity of the winch and the tensile strength of the line on the drum. The important part to remember is that rated capacity is based on the first layer of winch cable (the one closest to the drum). Typically, there are three or four layers and that first one has the “lowest” gear ratio and the most pull.
But the one thing that stood out, is why is she calling you ? I mean, I have been stuck a "poop" load of times, and never once called my Dad. If I did, he would laugh and say "good luck". What I am getting at, is I don't care what recovery gear she has, wheeling by herself is NOT safe. Not even sort of. If I were you, I would have a chit chat, tell her when mudding, wheeling, anything, she NEEDS other vehicles and friends around. God forbid she actually needs them, but better to have and not need, then need and not have. I know this is the last thing you want to read, or think about, but it seems like she is making a habit out of wheeling alone. Might want to do what you can to curb that a little. Then again, you know your area, and whats going on far better then me, I am just offering up some of my 2 cents to add into the pile. That's all.
With the amount of creepy stalkers in this thread, might be worth buying her a rifle or handgun too. Just in case !
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Yea , I was going by that commercial WARN or Ramsey had - The one where they pulled a Bronco up a tree- It went vertical and kept going lol. . Old commercial, but personally, I pulled a motor with an old 8000 before. Also pulled a Windstar off it's motor ( only way you can swap engines in those things).
But yea, never seen just how much it could lift or pull- Max.
But yea, never seen just how much it could lift or pull- Max.
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But the one thing that stood out, is why is she calling you ? I mean, I have been stuck a "poop" load of times, and never once called my Dad. If I did, he would laugh and say "good luck". What I am getting at, is I don't care what recovery gear she has, wheeling by herself is NOT safe. Not even sort of. If I were you, I would have a chit chat, tell her when mudding, wheeling, anything, she NEEDS other vehicles and friends around. God forbid she actually needs them, but better to have and not need, then need and not have. I know this is the last thing you want to read, or think about, but it seems like she is making a habit out of wheeling alone. Might want to do what you can to curb that a little. Then again, you know your area, and whats going on far better then me, I am just offering up some of my 2 cents to add into the pile. That's all.
With the amount of creepy stalkers in this thread, might be worth buying her a rifle or handgun too. Just in case !
With the amount of creepy stalkers in this thread, might be worth buying her a rifle or handgun too. Just in case !
She has a My Space of their little club. She ran the tractor last Sunday for most of the day, then ran another dudes built jeep thru the bog - she did pretty good! - it was nasty last weekend as well = lots of rain here. Funny thing about that is, she left her truck home lol. She said she needs it to get to work - She gotta ride instead.
Mannn, your dad sounds like a *****, - sorry for your luck man. She calls who she can trust - wouldn't want it any other way, -honestly. Hell, my dad came to help me out 2 states away when I totalled my 1 ton on the turnpike in PA. I didn't really need him to , but he came anyway.
We have are disagreements, but family is family - we're there for each other. We have adopted a few as well - It just kinduh happened lol.
BTW - She has her own arsenal - that's been posted.
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Right on Brew.
Pulling a motor out is one thing, pulling a 5K truck stuck past the diffs is a whole other story. My advice is free, and you get what you pay for, but I have "been there, done that". I may not know a lot, but I live and breathe wheeling. I know an 8k winch will not hack it for that big ole truck. It is better then nothing, and might get her out of some situations, but then she will get braver, knowing she has a winch, and go farther, and get stuck. Also, 8k, 10k, or 12k winch, doesn't matter, they will all be doing the same amount of work. Which one do you think will last longer ?
Glad she was wheeling with other people at least. I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and after the loss of a number of friends due to wheeling accidents, I take it a little more seriously. Thats all. It was some friendly advice.
Oh, and don't spend one second being sorry for me Brew. My Dad is far from a *****, he's a great guy. The type of guy who would die trying to help out some stranger he'd never met. Most honest, stand up feller I have come across. He just doesn't feel the need to coddle and baby me (being his son, it's a different story then being a daughter, I am sure you can understand that). For something like a stuck truck his reasoning is, "you got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out. Dad wont be around forever to keep saving your ***." I wouldn't of wanted it any other way. I believe it taught me more then some rescue ever could. I know I can turn to him if I ever really NEED anything, but why not be self sufficient ? Also, when I look back at EVERYTHING he has done for me, to call him and ask for something more, just feel greedy on my part. I want to bother him as little as I can, it's the least I can do. Plus, I hate the idea of relying on ANYONE, period. And if you have friends that come out to help, makes for good stories and BS time around the camp fire after all said and done. The idea of "mommy or daddy" coming to help me... well, I would be flamed so much we wouldn't need the campfire ! Looking at it now, I guess it is more me, then it is him. Oh well. Like I said, wouldn't of wanted it any other way.
Pulling a motor out is one thing, pulling a 5K truck stuck past the diffs is a whole other story. My advice is free, and you get what you pay for, but I have "been there, done that". I may not know a lot, but I live and breathe wheeling. I know an 8k winch will not hack it for that big ole truck. It is better then nothing, and might get her out of some situations, but then she will get braver, knowing she has a winch, and go farther, and get stuck. Also, 8k, 10k, or 12k winch, doesn't matter, they will all be doing the same amount of work. Which one do you think will last longer ?
Glad she was wheeling with other people at least. I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and after the loss of a number of friends due to wheeling accidents, I take it a little more seriously. Thats all. It was some friendly advice.
Oh, and don't spend one second being sorry for me Brew. My Dad is far from a *****, he's a great guy. The type of guy who would die trying to help out some stranger he'd never met. Most honest, stand up feller I have come across. He just doesn't feel the need to coddle and baby me (being his son, it's a different story then being a daughter, I am sure you can understand that). For something like a stuck truck his reasoning is, "you got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out. Dad wont be around forever to keep saving your ***." I wouldn't of wanted it any other way. I believe it taught me more then some rescue ever could. I know I can turn to him if I ever really NEED anything, but why not be self sufficient ? Also, when I look back at EVERYTHING he has done for me, to call him and ask for something more, just feel greedy on my part. I want to bother him as little as I can, it's the least I can do. Plus, I hate the idea of relying on ANYONE, period. And if you have friends that come out to help, makes for good stories and BS time around the camp fire after all said and done. The idea of "mommy or daddy" coming to help me... well, I would be flamed so much we wouldn't need the campfire !
Looking at it now, I guess it is more me, then it is him. Oh well. Like I said, wouldn't of wanted it any other way.
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Right on Brew.
Pulling a motor out is one thing, pulling a 5K truck stuck past the diffs is a whole other story. My advice is free, and you get what you pay for, but I have "been there, done that". I may not know a lot, but I live and breathe wheeling. I know an 8k winch will not hack it for that big ole truck. It is better then nothing, and might get her out of some situations, but then she will get braver, knowing she has a winch, and go farther, and get stuck. Also, 8k, 10k, or 12k winch, doesn't matter, they will all be doing the same amount of work. Which one do you think will last longer ?
Glad she was wheeling with other people at least. I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and after the loss of a number of friends due to wheeling accidents, I take it a little more seriously. Thats all. It was some friendly advice.
Oh, and don't spend one second being sorry for me Brew. My Dad is far from a *****, he's a great guy. The type of guy who would die trying to help out some stranger he'd never met. Most honest, stand up feller I have come across. He just doesn't feel the need to coddle and baby me (being his son, it's a different story then being a daughter, I am sure you can understand that). For something like a stuck truck his reasoning is, "you got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out. Dad wont be around forever to keep saving your ***." I wouldn't of wanted it any other way. I believe it taught me more then some rescue ever could. I know I can turn to him if I ever really NEED anything, but why not be self sufficient ? Also, when I look back at EVERYTHING he has done for me, to call him and ask for something more, just feel greedy on my part. I want to bother him as little as I can, it's the least I can do. Plus, I hate the idea of relying on ANYONE, period. And if you have friends that come out to help, makes for good stories and BS time around the camp fire after all said and done. The idea of "mommy or daddy" coming to help me... well, I would be flamed so much we wouldn't need the campfire ! Looking at it now, I guess it is more me, then it is him. Oh well. Like I said, wouldn't of wanted it any other way.
Pulling a motor out is one thing, pulling a 5K truck stuck past the diffs is a whole other story. My advice is free, and you get what you pay for, but I have "been there, done that". I may not know a lot, but I live and breathe wheeling. I know an 8k winch will not hack it for that big ole truck. It is better then nothing, and might get her out of some situations, but then she will get braver, knowing she has a winch, and go farther, and get stuck. Also, 8k, 10k, or 12k winch, doesn't matter, they will all be doing the same amount of work. Which one do you think will last longer ?
Glad she was wheeling with other people at least. I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and after the loss of a number of friends due to wheeling accidents, I take it a little more seriously. Thats all. It was some friendly advice.
Oh, and don't spend one second being sorry for me Brew. My Dad is far from a *****, he's a great guy. The type of guy who would die trying to help out some stranger he'd never met. Most honest, stand up feller I have come across. He just doesn't feel the need to coddle and baby me (being his son, it's a different story then being a daughter, I am sure you can understand that). For something like a stuck truck his reasoning is, "you got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out. Dad wont be around forever to keep saving your ***." I wouldn't of wanted it any other way. I believe it taught me more then some rescue ever could. I know I can turn to him if I ever really NEED anything, but why not be self sufficient ? Also, when I look back at EVERYTHING he has done for me, to call him and ask for something more, just feel greedy on my part. I want to bother him as little as I can, it's the least I can do. Plus, I hate the idea of relying on ANYONE, period. And if you have friends that come out to help, makes for good stories and BS time around the camp fire after all said and done. The idea of "mommy or daddy" coming to help me... well, I would be flamed so much we wouldn't need the campfire !
Looking at it now, I guess it is more me, then it is him. Oh well. Like I said, wouldn't of wanted it any other way.
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I don't even know what your talking about now. I think we were having two very different conversations....
My apologies. I would explain, but I really don't think you could care any less. Take it easy brew man.
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You say it was helpful to you that your dad laughs at your troubles and basically says, - don't call me - figure it out yourself lol. How that is helpful, I have know idea.
You make me apprciate more how I was raised lol. My parents are a little more willing to teach and help when needed. Now with my parents - it works out both ways. Myself, brothers and sister help them as they get older, -when needed. Thought that was normal.
As far as my daughter. - All I know, it was bad enough that she had to call me, I know she hates to. She's all about self sufficient.- My kid is just 18 and has her own place, works two jobs at times,to keep on top of things. I just get a kick out of it when she does need my help, just because she tries so hard to dodge that. So yea, it's NOT at all like daddy coming to the rescue in that sense. Hell, I'm very proud of what she's accomplished.
I wouldn't want THAT any other way.
You made it sound like a bad thing at first. I was just sharing the experience - thought it was funny.
Take care man.
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