Hey war dont worry bro I don't feel like you said anything wrong!! . I was in the Army, started as a mechanic then they made me a engineer after some things happened. But yeah it was a mess, took me about 5 years the stuff actually caused major damage to my liver, and galbladder and possibly now my feet lol.

The answer about testing POS for test, I dont worry bout that I have to take a packet of roids for my feet about every 2 months s I could get away with that.

I actually consulted my doctor, and hes usually blown away with the stuff going on with me haha. Hell me too, Im just so lucky that they treat me theres a ton of people in our country who suffer alot worse than me and get no help so I really just take it in stride. The doc told me he did not, not reccomend me taking any thing for working out. He said he seen nothing blood work wise that could be a problem.

I was just thinking maybe a few of you had tried that GNC Pro Preform and though it was horrible but I enjoy reading everything you guys has put down. I knew there would be a ton of us who enjoyed lifting and by all means I hope more people get in on this one!

L8tr guys

 

Most GNC products are over priced and suck.
Like said previous, ON products are mostly the only ones I will buy. Cheaper, taste better, and mix with ease.

Talk to a bb'er trainer and he will throw that 100-135 gram of protein idea out the window, real fast. Maybe for a non active male. It different though for an active, gym going, weight lifting male.

 

I like your view JNC I hate drinking so much protein! Does your ON mix well in a blender? The Pro Perform would froth up and taste like you was drinking a chocolate bubble bath mix. :X

 

ON Pro Complex mixes with like 10 stirs of a fork, so no need for a blender. Their other proteins taste good, and stir well too. I use whey protein post workout, then casein before bed. Casein is a slow digest.

 

lol.. JNC.. I'm sorry, do yourself a favor and think before you speak.. You're either an idiot or extremely ignorant.. since when does reading a few men's fitness magazines make your typical "bb'er trainer" a qualified source of nutritional information? They are more than likely just as clueless as yourself. btw.. I said Strikes would need, at most, 156g of protein a day, if he chose to be a competitive weight lifter being 230lbs.. It's 1.4-1.5g protein per kg.. not pounds. An average male only needs 0.8g protein/kg. Anything else is metabolized and excreted anyways.. You simply need to increase your calorie consumption, via carbs.

Look at it this way.. if you cut back carbs and replaced it with protein, in theory, you would have the same amount of energy. 4kcal of energy are in both 1g of protein/carbohydrate. The difference lies within the way your body metabolizes a carb vs a protein. Your body much more readily metabolizes carbs, and excessive protein metabolization is unhealthy. The whole purpose of eating more carbs is the prevent the protein you consumed from being metabolized for energy...

btw.. Strikes If you take anything from this at all, take the time to read this quick article.. It might show you how mislead the others really are. Surely considering your physical condition, overdosing on protein is the last thing you need.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/256125/Small-Bites-Issue-6

 

I gave up on GNC a long time ago. Their products blow and their prices are high. The last couple years I've bought everything from netrition. They're pretty good price wise and their shipping is affordable as well. Personally, I'm a BSN guy. I take Nitrex, NoExplode, Cellmass, and Syntha from them and Isopure for post workout nutrition. Good stuff but gets expensive when I'm on the Nitrex cycles.

 

I'm the idiot? You're the one who assumes being a nursing student, with some nutrition classes makes you some kind of expert. You come on here and claim that everyone is wrong, saying that these supplements are bad for you, with little facts to back it up. I find it odd that I have only heard 2 people claim that you only need around 100 g. of protein a day if you work out. One was some half *** rugby player who weighed about 130Lbs, the other is you.
I'm not going to get in a pissing match b/c I have better things to do then try to sound like a know it all on the internet.
Strikes if you want, I can give you a few websites with dieticians on there, who specialize in diets for people who bb and lift. They will give you more of a general diet for your size/goal. But it will help a lot. I would just post the website, but some of the material talked about on there isn't an openly accepted subject.

 

You sir are full of it. Under 1% of body fat... I don't even believe it's possible, I've never even read of anyone under 4%.

Last time I was tested I was 9%.

I took a product a LOT of people take and know of...so I'm probably not bringing any new info to the table but I've used Tren Xtreme by American Cellular labs many times. I'm not going to go into detail because we all know what it is and does...

 

He said his body fat changed less than 1%

- NCSU

 

I dont know if this will help you any, you have already got a crap ton of tips. My step mom has had arthritis since she was like a young kid, but anyway she has done the all natural approach with vitamins and eating right. Ok, with that said she also has seen many Dr.'s and they said as nutrition goes to avoid whey. If you notice its in all kinds of food if you look on the back of the box. Im sure there are other stuff to...so anyway, if the stuff you are taking is nasty Ive used N-Large 2 for a couple of years now. It tastes just like chocolate milk and if you are trying to add weight when mixed with whole milk its like an extra 1400 calories or something which is what i am trying to do....So there you go!

 

You sir, should learn how to read all the words in a post. NCSU got me, my body fat changed less than 1%. Hell I wish I could get under 15% but I haven't motivated myself to get on a solid cardio plan yet LOL.

 

I don't even try to go by bodyfat lol. I can't bring myself to getting routine enough to trim and tone. I dunno haven't picked up anything yet but got a coupon in the mail for buy one get one at GNC might get something. I missed shoulders and biceps today which is a bummer.

 

houston, maybe josiah misread your post.. but your math is still wrong.. an average chicken breast weighs about 8oz.. and chicken has about 9g of protein per 1 oz. so that's 72g of protein per chicken breast. Aside from that, your protein multiplier is supposed to be multiplied by your weight in kilograms, not pounds. 1kg = 2.2lbs, your calculations over double the recommended amount. It's supposed to be 1.4-1.5g protein/kg daily for competitive weight lifters.

I never claimed to be an expert, but I can guarantee you I know a lot more about how protein works than your typical bodybuilder or personal trainer... sure, I'm only a nursing student with a few extra nutrition courses under my belt, but I've learned from Registered Dietitians and professors with with Doctrate and Master's degrees in the science..

strikes if you absolutely must pick something up, stay away from the synthetics and go for the 100% whey, or whey isolate from GNC, since you already have the coupon. An extra 25-50g of protein from supplements is fine, but the majority of your protein should come from a well balanced diet, if possible. Personally, I eat an extra peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wheat bread with a glass of milk, that has 25g of protein alone.

need facts? read it for yourself
http://fnic.nal.usda.gov/nal_display...level3_id=5145
http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu...s/protein.html

 

I never questioned anything you said. I guess my numbers were wrong. Now that I look at it you are looking at between 6-9 g of protein/oz. I didn't realize the protein ratio was per/kg, I'll have to double check that. Like I said, never questioned any of your info. I know what works for me and that's what matters. What works for me may not work for you vice versa. I don't have genetics on my side like some of my friends do.

 

cool cool, I wasn't aiming that second remark at you necessarily, I'm not trying to be the devil's advocate here, just trying to make sure the right information gets spread around.. believe it or not, excessive protein is toxic, it's definately worth looking into :P

I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a serious bodybuilder or anything.. and you're right, everybody is different, and genetics do play a certain role in muscle mass/gains.. for what it's worth, I'm 5'8'', 175lbs, 8-9% bodyfat and I take in about 125g of protein daily from my regular diet alone. I recently started heavy lifting only on monday and friday, the rest is cardio or resistance training, with the weekends off to focus on college studies.