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I don't blindly support "everything" American just because it is the right thing to do. If something is a piece of crap I'm not going to buy it wether it's made here or made in China. When I buy something I want it to work and work well. I don't buy gas at Citgo because of Hugo Chavez and I don't shop at Target because they wouldn't allow their employees to say Merry Christmas and didn't allow the Salvation Army to have bell ringers out side, but I do shop at Wal Mart because it's cheap and convenient. I'm sure you hate Wal Mart because they run out "the little guy". If someone can provide a product cheaper and quicker then more power to them.
I'm tired of people pointing fingers about American vehicles and we have an obligation to support them. US automakers have built an inferior product for so long that Americans are used to it. The cost of keeping Union workers happy is Bankrupting the Big 3, but we should blindly follow along and keep buying inferior vehicles. When the Big 3 start building vehicles that compare to Japanese vehicles I'll buy one.
It's sad that Hyundai has past the big 3 in realiabililty as little time as they have been in business. American automakers need to change or see the whole auto industry pass the by. Threatening someone's patriotism because they won't buy a TURD made in America doesn't work anymore.
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Blindly support? This entire thread is that American companies have made huge strides in quality and are now equal to Toyota and not far behind Honda. So given all other things equal why not support America and the American workers?
Hyundai has made huge strides, I in no way see how that reflects poorly on the American auto workers as they too have made strides in quality.
Hyundai has made huge strides, I in no way see how that reflects poorly on the American auto workers as they too have made strides in quality.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...best_buys.html
34 of 39 most reliable vehicles were Asian.
Chrysler came in at number 20 in the report followed by Dodge at 26 GMC at 28, Jeep at 30, Chevrolet and Cadillac tied for 34.
Yet you say GM isn't inferior? I'd much rather have a vehicle from one of the top 3 most reliable automakers than one from an automaker that strolled in at number 34!
The Big 3 are still trying to improve their reliability and make a better product; yet Hyundai has only been selling in the US for 22 years. They now build more reliable vehicles than the Big 3. How long is it going to take for US automakers to wake up and catch up??
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Huge strides are great. Chevy continues to remain at the bottom of the list of reliability. Ford may be improving, but they are not equal to Toyota. As of late 2007 Ford was not even in the top 10 of most reliable automakers. I support America and American workers, but I will not buy a crappy American car "because it's the right thing to do". Like I said, when Ford, GM, or Chrylser build a vehicle that I like and is equal to Honda in reliabilit I'll consider buying it if I'm in the market for a vehicle.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...best_buys.html
34 of 39 most reliable vehicles were Asian.
Chrysler came in at number 20 in the report followed by Dodge at 26 GMC at 28, Jeep at 30, Chevrolet and Cadillac tied for 34.
Yet you say GM isn't inferior? I'd much rather have a vehicle from one of the top 3 most reliable automakers than one from an automaker that strolled in at number 34!
The Big 3 are still trying to improve their reliability and make a better product; yet Hyundai has only been selling in the US for 22 years. They now build more reliable vehicles than the Big 3. How long is it going to take for US automakers to wake up and catch up??
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...best_buys.html
34 of 39 most reliable vehicles were Asian.
Chrysler came in at number 20 in the report followed by Dodge at 26 GMC at 28, Jeep at 30, Chevrolet and Cadillac tied for 34.
Yet you say GM isn't inferior? I'd much rather have a vehicle from one of the top 3 most reliable automakers than one from an automaker that strolled in at number 34!
The Big 3 are still trying to improve their reliability and make a better product; yet Hyundai has only been selling in the US for 22 years. They now build more reliable vehicles than the Big 3. How long is it going to take for US automakers to wake up and catch up??
If you like Hyundai buy one, you couldnt pay me to drive anything from Honda, Toyota, Hyundia, kia etc
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If you honestly believe GM vehicles are equal to Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, etc then you are seriously jaded. Just look at Consumer Reports reliability reports on vehicles. You don't have to go round and round. Just remember that the BLACK circles are bad!!
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Consumer reports is hardly a credible source. I added GM in with ford, but I know they are not on the same level. GM has improved, but not near as much as Ford. And I do believe Ford is equal to Toyota
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I'm curious if people who bought the Saturn Vue V6's a few years back are anti American? Surely not... afterall it is an American made vehicle right?
Oh wait that vehicle had a Honda motor in it didn't it? Hopefully no warm blooded Americans figure that one out. Having that BIG H stamped on their engine blocks could get them shot in some circles... you know with Independence Day looming and all.
Oh wait that vehicle had a Honda motor in it didn't it? Hopefully no warm blooded Americans figure that one out. Having that BIG H stamped on their engine blocks could get them shot in some circles... you know with Independence Day looming and all.
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You believing Ford is equal to Toyota isn't exactly credible either. I would say Consumer Reports is slightly more reliable than scott1981's opinions though!
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http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/...ummets_wh.html
Dont take my word for it, I wouldnt take yours
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I'm curious if people who bought the Saturn Vue V6's a few years back are anti American? Surely not... afterall it is an American made vehicle right?
Oh wait that vehicle had a Honda motor in it didn't it? Hopefully no warm blooded Americans figure that one out. Having that BIG H stamped on their engine blocks could get them shot in some circles... you know with Independence Day looming and all.
Oh wait that vehicle had a Honda motor in it didn't it? Hopefully no warm blooded Americans figure that one out. Having that BIG H stamped on their engine blocks could get them shot in some circles... you know with Independence Day looming and all.
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http://www.autospies.com/news/Study-...Quality-14365/
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/...ummets_wh.html
Dont take my word for it, I wouldnt take yours
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/...ummets_wh.html
Dont take my word for it, I wouldnt take yours
By the way, your second link is a Consumer Reports link! I thought they were'nt reliable?
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I would rather have a Camry, Accord, or Maxima any day over a comperable Chevy or Ford. The reason being reliability, resale value, and workmanship.
Toyota "recently" broke into the full size truck market. They need more R&D to compete with American full size trucks. Foreign "cars" are leaps and bounds ahead of American "cars".
Toyota "recently" broke into the full size truck market. They need more R&D to compete with American full size trucks. Foreign "cars" are leaps and bounds ahead of American "cars".
Shows how much you know. the Camry has BELOW AVERAGE reliability. Yes, the new model.
From one of those links, "
The new report by CR is a shock to many Toyota faithfuls as their beloved brand has slipped in reliability. The Toyota Camry V6, Tundra V8 4WD and Lexus GS AWD have all been bumped from the "recommended" list due to their below average scores.
In the past Consumer Reports has based the reliability of future Toyota's on the past performance of older models. This practice has ended, which has resulted with the decrease of Toyota's overall reliability now below Honda who now sits in the number one spot. Toyota, which includes Scion and Lexus holds the number three spot behind Honda and Subaru.
Although it seems that Toyota has placed less emphasis on quality and reliability lately, Ford has shown large gains. 41 out of 44 of Ford's products scored average or better than average for predicted reliability. In addition the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and Ford F-150 V6 2WD were three of the only four "domestic" models that earned the "most reliable" title."
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That article states "initial quality"!! That is as the car come off the show room. The real issue is how that vehicle is 6mos, 1yr, 2yrs, etc down the road. I want something that is reliable 5 years down the road, not just initially.
By the way, your second link is a Consumer Reports link! I thought they were'nt reliable?
By the way, your second link is a Consumer Reports link! I thought they were'nt reliable?
Originally Posted by Consumer reports
In the past Consumer Reports has based the reliability of future Toyota's on the past performance of older models. This practice has ended, which has resulted with the decrease of Toyota's overall reliability now below Honda who now sits in the number one spot.