What's wrong with being liberal?
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Originally Posted by Bryndon
I am conservative through and through. I believe the founding fathers were MILES ahead of their time. I think every American should stand on their own 2 feet if at all possible. I believe that I have a right to own a gun and use it to defend myself or anyone in my immediate area that needs me. I think murderers should be put to death and that fetuses should live. I am convinced that I can better determine how the money I make should be sent that anyone in the government. But I also believe that taking the fight to the enemy is the best way to fight.
I could go on and on and on, but the liberal belief structure is not in line with mine, nor is it in line with the founding fathers ideas as to what America should be.
American was started by people that wanted the OPPORTUNITY to succeed, not a guarantee to have their sorry butt carried for their whole lives. If someone needs help, I am the first one in line - I am American. I don't expect my government to be there, I expect people to help each other.
If you look at liberals, they blow with the wind. Every theory they throw in behind gets blown up, and then they go to the next cause. Look at global warming... they want to reduce CO2 emission to stop it. Now it looks like the latest research is that CO2 level increases are caused by the higher global temp, not the other way around. Soon they will move to the next great save the world project.
Politically, I vote for who I want. Unfortunately, it is virtually always the lesser of 2 evils - I vote against someone rather than for the other.
I could go on and on and on, but the liberal belief structure is not in line with mine, nor is it in line with the founding fathers ideas as to what America should be.
American was started by people that wanted the OPPORTUNITY to succeed, not a guarantee to have their sorry butt carried for their whole lives. If someone needs help, I am the first one in line - I am American. I don't expect my government to be there, I expect people to help each other.
If you look at liberals, they blow with the wind. Every theory they throw in behind gets blown up, and then they go to the next cause. Look at global warming... they want to reduce CO2 emission to stop it. Now it looks like the latest research is that CO2 level increases are caused by the higher global temp, not the other way around. Soon they will move to the next great save the world project.
Politically, I vote for who I want. Unfortunately, it is virtually always the lesser of 2 evils - I vote against someone rather than for the other.
I have a CCW
The Greatest Welfare Reform occured undered a Democratic President. Liberal's don't want a welfare state.
Many Dem's are Pro-Life and very Christian. This isn't just a Republican value.
Dem's want low taxes too! Trust Me
Republican's can care about the environment.
Dem's can Hunt, ride dirt bikes, Fish, and own Big 4WD trucks (I do)
It's the Media that really trys to demonize each other's party and "group" everyone into one category. It's pretty rediculous if you think about it...
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I've voted since I was 18, and I have always voted straight ticket republican. I'd vote for a democrat if he/she had the values I agree with, I just haven't found one yet. 
I don't agree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I also haven't forgotten 9/11. Drop bombs, not troops. Hell, if any politician ran on that promise, I'd be voting for them quicker than ****.
I don't agree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I also haven't forgotten 9/11. Drop bombs, not troops. Hell, if any politician ran on that promise, I'd be voting for them quicker than ****.
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Bighersh, is this a thread to call me out? 
Sometimes I find it harder and harder to be what I consider a “republican conservative”. I did so in the Reagan era where republicans were more towards the conservative side.
So, what is conservative to me? The United States Constitution is just about pure conservatism. It’s about individual rights, it’s about freedom, and it’s about structure within our society based on the “majority”.
Liberalism is basically the opposite of that, which is to say, it is about restricting individual rights, it is about rewriting the Constitution, it is about a false belief that the Constitution is a living document of which it IS NOT unless followed exactly as outlined in the Constitution. Liberals, in general, do not believe in following the rules of the Constitution but rather letting a very few individuals “minority” (as in individuals and not race) determine what is best for the majority.
Liberals, in general, believe they know what’s best for others which means they do not believe in freedom other then their definition which is socialism of which the founding fathers did NOT believe in.
Liberals do not believe in having a structure in our society where the majority set the rules, where the majority makes judgments on society’s behavior, be it for individuals or society as a whole. In other words liberals do not believe I or anyone else should ever pass judgment on others, that it is evil, it is mean, and it is being racist or discrimination of some type.
While that tends to go against freedom it really doesn’t. Freedom is not infinite where anything goes anytime one wishes but rather freedom is governed by a set of rules, judgments made by individuals and what the majority of those individuals believe is correct and therefore the law of the land, as set out in the Constitution.
Liberals believe there is some kind of village where some can decide to make poor choices, decide not to work, or decide to be lazy and that others who make the right choices, work hard, and have responsibility should take care of those who don’t.
Conservatives, like the Constitution, believe the opposite. They believe those who make bad choices, decide not to work, or decide to be lazy should be left on their own to survive on their own, or just not survive at all, because they believe in the freedom of people to make their own choice, within the laws of the land, and if they make bad choices then tough love. Conservative believe in trying to educate those who make bad choices in the hopes they can learn to make the right choices but if they refuse the help then tough love your on your own, hope you survive…
In the most basic form you could use the following as a truthful example of the difference between a conservative and liberal:
Liberal – “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day”
Conservative – “Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime”
One is about responsibility and accountability while the other makes you feel good. Feelings and/or intentions do not, nor ever will, make a nation or country strong. Only responsible and accountable individuals, citizens, who are action orientated, rather then talkative, will make a nation and country strong…
Sometimes I find it harder and harder to be what I consider a “republican conservative”. I did so in the Reagan era where republicans were more towards the conservative side.
So, what is conservative to me? The United States Constitution is just about pure conservatism. It’s about individual rights, it’s about freedom, and it’s about structure within our society based on the “majority”.
Liberalism is basically the opposite of that, which is to say, it is about restricting individual rights, it is about rewriting the Constitution, it is about a false belief that the Constitution is a living document of which it IS NOT unless followed exactly as outlined in the Constitution. Liberals, in general, do not believe in following the rules of the Constitution but rather letting a very few individuals “minority” (as in individuals and not race) determine what is best for the majority.
Liberals, in general, believe they know what’s best for others which means they do not believe in freedom other then their definition which is socialism of which the founding fathers did NOT believe in.
Liberals do not believe in having a structure in our society where the majority set the rules, where the majority makes judgments on society’s behavior, be it for individuals or society as a whole. In other words liberals do not believe I or anyone else should ever pass judgment on others, that it is evil, it is mean, and it is being racist or discrimination of some type.
While that tends to go against freedom it really doesn’t. Freedom is not infinite where anything goes anytime one wishes but rather freedom is governed by a set of rules, judgments made by individuals and what the majority of those individuals believe is correct and therefore the law of the land, as set out in the Constitution.
Liberals believe there is some kind of village where some can decide to make poor choices, decide not to work, or decide to be lazy and that others who make the right choices, work hard, and have responsibility should take care of those who don’t.
Conservatives, like the Constitution, believe the opposite. They believe those who make bad choices, decide not to work, or decide to be lazy should be left on their own to survive on their own, or just not survive at all, because they believe in the freedom of people to make their own choice, within the laws of the land, and if they make bad choices then tough love. Conservative believe in trying to educate those who make bad choices in the hopes they can learn to make the right choices but if they refuse the help then tough love your on your own, hope you survive…
In the most basic form you could use the following as a truthful example of the difference between a conservative and liberal:
Liberal – “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day”
Conservative – “Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime”
One is about responsibility and accountability while the other makes you feel good. Feelings and/or intentions do not, nor ever will, make a nation or country strong. Only responsible and accountable individuals, citizens, who are action orientated, rather then talkative, will make a nation and country strong…
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From: Columbia Station, Ohio
Originally Posted by risupercrewman
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder!..................
Way to add something really constructive to the conversation. Please contact us again when you mature somewhat...
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From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by CrAz3D
It's a quote from a book 
We have it on the back of our College Republican shirts
I got lots of compliments and comments! hahahaha
We have it on the back of our College Republican shirts
I got lots of compliments and comments! hahahaha
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Originally Posted by referee54
Very sorry---didn't know that. Interesting article today indicating that even the Republicans want a candidate far different from W.
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
Ref, we want a conservative...Bush is a neo-conservative mess. That explains that.
Stealth, making up words just means that President Bush is a superior linguist, FAR ahead of his time. If no one ever made up words we wouldn't be having this conversation, then. Or at least not without a lot of grunts and hand movements
Stealth, making up words just means that President Bush is a superior linguist, FAR ahead of his time.
If no one ever made up words we wouldn't be having this conversation, then. Or at least not without a lot of grunts and hand movements
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Originally Posted by referee54
I also find it interesting that conservatives are strongly in favor of the strict interpretation of the Constitution---(ironically so am I) but they also favor the Patriot act, which blows part of the Constituion to shreds...I do not quite get it, but that is their right, I guess...
Tim C.
Tim C.
That's where you are wrong. Conservatives do NOT support the Patriot Act, Neo-Cons* do.
* I hate that term, as it has been overused by the left as a slander, but it holds true in many cases. A true conservative is disgusted with the PA.
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PA = Patriot Act
. . and look who we've got running our President because of thinking like that! 
I'm all for doing away with political parties because this country is all about being united after 9/11 right? Well why the hell does the Government have to be split down the middle? I just wish Ron Paul would win the damn thing.
Originally Posted by Stealth
I've voted since I was 18, and I have always voted straight ticket republican. I'd vote for a democrat if he/she had the values I agree with, I just haven't found one yet.
I'm all for doing away with political parties because this country is all about being united after 9/11 right? Well why the hell does the Government have to be split down the middle? I just wish Ron Paul would win the damn thing.
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Ohio Senator on Bush's Veto
US Senator George Voinovich, R-Ohio:
"I am concerned that, by more than doubling the cost of (childrens' health insurance),we aremoving in the wrong direction. We need to desing a system where all Americans have health insurance as well as true ownership of a portable policy that they can take from job to job. People shouldn't have to worry about how they're going to care foir their families when facing the loss of a job or in making the decison to pursue another job."
This come from a Republican---where does he fit in on the Conservative/Liberal scale? What say you all? Seriously---is he a wolf in sheep's clothing---a democrat claiming to be a repubican---or is he a parodox---a "liberal republican"? Where does this guy fit in in our discussions of being a liberal?
Tim C.
"I am concerned that, by more than doubling the cost of (childrens' health insurance),we aremoving in the wrong direction. We need to desing a system where all Americans have health insurance as well as true ownership of a portable policy that they can take from job to job. People shouldn't have to worry about how they're going to care foir their families when facing the loss of a job or in making the decison to pursue another job."
This come from a Republican---where does he fit in on the Conservative/Liberal scale? What say you all? Seriously---is he a wolf in sheep's clothing---a democrat claiming to be a repubican---or is he a parodox---a "liberal republican"? Where does this guy fit in in our discussions of being a liberal?
Tim C.
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