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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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I would rather die, then have to be in his shoes and live the rest of my life with the feeling in the pit of my stomach because I was involved in an ACCIDENT THAT COST LIVES, AND DESTROYED FAMILY/FRIENDS!!!
+1, if the guy has any decency at all that will hurt more than anything we could do to him.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Racing2Fast
I agree, but he's not the only one who F-ed up real bad either!! No way is HE 100% responsible for the entire thing. Everyone wants to sit back and judge and point fingers at this guy. You being one of them, or you wouldnt be throwing in the fact he has a prior for DUI. At this point I can't see how anybody can pin this on him 100%, and have a clear conscience afterwards. I would rather die, then have to be in his shoes and live the rest of my life with the feeling in the pit of my stomach because I was involved in an ACCIDENT THAT COST LIVES, AND DESTROYED FAMILY/FRIENDS!!!

I completely agree that it is not 100% his fault. But he knew what that car was capable of doing if it got out of control.

A bad deal for all involved for sure.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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He was doing what he was told to do. The car messed up. It was an ACCIDENT. Yes, there should of been WAY MORE safety measures. But once again he was doing what he was told to do. I mean come on the guy was at a parade for a charity. It's not like he was at a parade with hootie cans flying everywhere and he figured a good burnout and he'd be motorboatin all the way home. I feel bad for the mother, yes. But I feel worse for the guy who has to live with himself that he killed 6 people. Can you imagine the amount of guilt? I feel real bad for him. Its just not a good situation for anyone regardless it was an accident. Trying to hold him completely responsible is like trying to hold every Japanese person responsible for bombing Pearl Harbor.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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He was doing what he was told to do. The car messed up. It was an ACCIDENT. Yes, there should of been WAY MORE safety measures. But once again he was doing what he was told to do. I mean come on the guy was at a parade for a charity. It's not like he was at a parade with hootie cans flying everywhere and he figured a good burnout and he'd be motorboatin all the way home. I feel bad for the mother, yes. But I feel worse for the guy who has to live with himself that he killed 6 people. Can you imagine the amount of guilt? I feel real bad for him. Its just not a good situation for anyone regardless it was an accident. Trying to hold him completely responsible is like trying to hold every Japanese person responsible for bombing Pearl Harbor.
Would a reasonable and prudent person have done what he did?

Turning a +1,000 HP drag car loose with basically no safety precautions for spectators.... it was damn stupid.
That car could have done anything and it could have been even worse.

Reckless endangerment.

Call the next case.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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Would a reasonable and prudent person have done what he did?
If the cops gave me the signal the coast was clear telling me that I was good to go..... I guess I would not be reasonable or prudent.

Not to mention all the other drivers every year for the last 15 years that they said they have done this with out incident.

To be perfectly honest me personally, probbaly woudln't think twice about doing it now....
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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I guess the captain of thsi boat should be charged when his boat lost control and carrened inot spectators...

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2815400

Or how about the driver of thsi rally car...

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2815400

The pilot of this fighter jet that killed 78 people at an air show (A prudent and reasonable person whould have known when flying a massive and powerful machine like that, that close to a crowd of spectators a attending your air show that something might go wrong.)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/99817/air_show_crash/
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 04:07 AM
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Because so far I do not find anything that indicates that he messed up.

Exhibit A: The wreaked car.
Exhibit B: Video of his car out of control and crashing (that was ONLY under HIS direct control at the time of the incident.)
Exhibit C: The bodies of the victims.

:case closed:
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMX113
He was doing what he was told to do. The car messed up. It was an ACCIDENT. Yes, there should of been WAY MORE safety measures. But once again he was doing what he was told to do.
"The car messed up."???? :roflmao:

Actually, he was doing what he was told he COULD do. But it was HIS choice to do it or not. He's an adult. It was his car. He's a professional driver with a lot of experience. He knew damn well what could happen. He used poor judgement. No one can expect the general public and especially kids to fully comprehend and appreciate the situation they were in. ("This has been happening every year. It must be safe." ... is about all the general public base their judgments on. ) Where the car cashed was in front of the Sonic hamburger restaurant along a public road... not at a race track where added risk can be assumed and best effort precautions to protect spectators have been taken. Unlike standard race track event, this kind of event attracts general population who don't know anything about race cars like this. They are there for the 'Kids' event and community camaraderie.

'legally'
1st blame goes to the driver (he should have used better judgement and said no to performing the stunt considering the environment.)
2nd blame goes to the organizers who should have taken proper precautions for a safe event. (The event was Cars For Kids. They obviously forget about the kids.)
3rd blame goes to the sanctioning body and or government who should have
made sure proper precautions were being made before issuing any permits to the event organizers.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken07Harley

Exhibit A: The wreaked car.
Do you really think tha twas on purpose?????

It is the result of an accident.

ac·ci·dent [ak-si-duhnt]
–noun

1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents.
2. Law. such a happening resulting in injury that is in no way the fault of the injured person for which compensation or indemnity is legally sought.

3. any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.
4. chance; fortune; luck: I was there by accident.
5. a fortuitous circumstance, quality, or characteristic: an accident of birth.
6. Philosophy. any entity or event contingent upon the existence of something else.
7. Geology. a surface irregularity, usually on a small scale, the reason for which is not apparent.
Originally Posted by Ken07Harley
Exhibit B: Video of his car out of control and crashing (that was ONLY under HIS direct control at the time of the incident.)
How could he be "in direct control" of an "out of control car"?

I think this is where we differ I call it an accident you call it an "incident".

It appears in the video that he was just along for the ride, he was unable to steer it or direct it in any way shape or form. Appears like he was trying to keep control and trying to no avail to keep it out of the crowd. It definatly does not appear that he intentionally drove it into the crowd.


Originally Posted by Ken07Harley
Exhibit C: The bodies of the victims.
While an unfortunate ending, I do not see anything that indicates criminal intentions of public harm.

Accidents happen anytime, anywhere. It does not take a high performance race car or even to be pulling off stunts to lose control. This could be you or me in this same scenario tomarrow.

Of course if it was you in your truck then it would be different because you did not mean too, and you were told it was safe to drive on the street. You have done it hundereds of thousands of times before with out incident. Even though you know everytime that you get behind the wheel there is a chance that something might go wrong and you could hurt or kill someone........

So by convicting, you are stating that you yourself are actually trying to kill somone every single day that you drive, you just have not succeeded yet.

Thats premidated murder.


 

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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 04:22 AM
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Lawsuit

Everyone knew this was coming.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/27/car....ap/index.html
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Do you really think tha twas on purpose?????

It is the result of an accident.

How could he be "in direct control" of an "out of control car"?

I think this is where we differ I call it an accident you call it an "incident".
He drove the car on purpose.
He did a burn-out on purpose.
He knew what the environment was when/where he decided to do it / go through with the stunt.

Did he intend to crash and kill kids? No. But all the actions and choices made up until the crash were his. He was the one in control of his vehicle and responsible for maintaining control of his vehicle. A bullet fired from a gun is no longer under the control of anyone. But it is whom pulled the trigger that is responsible for the what happens to that bullet.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:35 AM
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"Replogle accuses the vehicle's owner, AMS Staff Leasing Inc., of negligence by failing to make sure the car was in proper working order and allowing it to be driven by Critchley, who had an "unsafe driving record," the suit claims.

Critchley, who has not spoken publicly since the accident, was convicted of drunken driving in Virginia in 2000."



How can you claim they hired a driver with an "UNSAFE" driving record? First off, Pro-Mod's are not "Street Legal" The Driver had over 20yrs exp. in the racing world. Second, He has already been convicted, and served his time for the DUI he recieved in 2000. As far as I am concerned that conviction is null/void in this situation. The only way I can see using that DUI, was if he was under the influence while performing in the Drag Car. In which case I would put him under the jail! So far I have heard nothing of the sort, so I can only assume and base my opinion on the facts that I have seen. I still hold the event staff, and organizers responsible for not taking the proper precautions, (no permit) You cant hold the Car Owners responsible, for failing to make sure the car was in proper working condition. Anyone who has been around this sport realizes that these High HP. beast break stuff all the time.

And dont get me wrong, I understand the driver made the choice to do the burnout. He's to blame as well, It's been my exp. that most dragracers are very curtious, pretty nice, and down to earth people. That being said, and doing some research on this driver... He seems like a guy with a good heart. What do you think you can do to him, that's going to be any worse than what he's feeling right now knowing he lost control of a vehichle and took 6 kids lives. This man is going to suffer for the rest of his life! (Along with the victims friends and family)

Everything about this just SUCKS
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken07Harley
Yea didn't take a psychic to see that one coming.

It has slightly more substance than being burnt by Hot coffee, but not much.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Yea didn't take a psychic to see that one coming.

It has slightly more substance than being burnt by Hot coffee, but not much.
Slightly???

Burned vs. Killed
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken07Harley
Slightly???

Burned vs. Killed
Yea but they are sueing everyone under the sun.
Surpirsed they are only going 10 mil, that may be per suit though. If a pair of jeans at the dry cleaner is 62 mil, then surely a life is worth a few billion.

Might as well sue the carburater manufacturer for making a falty pruduct too.

While the life is not frivoulous, trying to point blame is.
 
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