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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Racing2Fast
Im not going to question you opinion, on who's fault it is. Bottom Line is Family's lost love'd ones, kids lost friends, and young teen's lost their life in a "preventable" freak accident. Not to mention this driver and team will have to spend the rest of their lives, dealing with their conscience and carrying this burden around.
God Bless the familys, friends, driver-n-team, and all the other's affected by this unfortunate turn of events.
"The rules of engines in Pro Modified are simple and straight forward. The engine can either have up to 527 cubic inches and be supercharged and methanol fueled, or it can have a larger 740 cubic inch engine that utilizes nitrous oxide and gasoline."

Opening a car like this up with spectators lining the roadway and no barrier is not a freak accident.

In my opinion it's closer to negligent homicide.

"Negligent homicide is the killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice. It can also be considered a death that is the result of the negligent operation of a motor vehicle, which includes the operation of a boat or snowmobile. In some states, the term negligent homicide replaces the terminology of manslaughter (involuntary) with similar defining. Unintentional killing(s) in which the actor(s) should have known they were creating substantial and unjustified risks of death by conduct that grossly deviated from ordinary care summarizes the relationship between the definitions of these terms."
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
In my opinion it's closer to negligent homicide.

"Negligent homicide is the killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice. It can also be considered a death that is the result of the negligent operation of a motor vehicle, which includes the operation of a boat or snowmobile. In some states, the term negligent homicide replaces the terminology of manslaughter (involuntary) with similar defining. Unintentional killing(s) in which the actor(s) should have known they were creating substantial and unjustified risks of death by conduct that grossly deviated from ordinary care summarizes the relationship between the definitions of these terms."
I feel smarter just reading that
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
"The rules of engines in Pro Modified are simple and straight forward. The engine can either have up to 527 cubic inches and be supercharged and methanol fueled, or it can have a larger 740 cubic inch engine that utilizes nitrous oxide and gasoline."

Opening a car like this up with spectators lining the roadway and no barrier is not a freak accident.

In my opinion it's closer to negligent homicide.

"Negligent homicide is the killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice. It can also be considered a death that is the result of the negligent operation of a motor vehicle, which includes the operation of a boat or snowmobile. In some states, the term negligent homicide replaces the terminology of manslaughter (involuntary) with similar defining. Unintentional killing(s) in which the actor(s) should have known they were creating substantial and unjustified risks of death by conduct that grossly deviated from ordinary care summarizes the relationship between the definitions of these terms."


Alright I can go with that, and with that logic, then we'll also have to charge the team, the owners, managers, event orginization, the chamber of commerce, the entire police department all as assistants to homicide too.

Then also to remain technically in the law, we should charge each and every spectators with attmepted sucide.

Also the families of the underage victims with assiting in thier sucide for allowing them to be in a dangerous situation.




I could back you if he had just taken it up on himself to do a burn out in the middle of a parade, but he did not!
He was in the designated area that the organizers and police had set up and assigned for the 4 cars to do a burn out demonstration in.
 

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Alright I can go with that, and with that logic, then we'll also have to charge the team, the owners, managers, event orginization, the chamber of commerce, the entire police department all as assistants to homicide too.

Then also to remain technically in the law, we should charge each and every spectators with attmepted sucide.

Also the families of the underage victims with assiting in thier sucide for allowing them to be in a dangerous situation.




I could back you if he had just taken it up on himself to do a burn out in the middle of a parade, but he did not!
He was in the designated area that the organizers and police had set up and assigned for the 4 cars to do a burn out demonstration in
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He was doing what he had been told to do, and did it in the designated area he was told to do it in. It could have happend to any of the other 3 cars that were set up to come behind him. Bottom line, there were no "real" safety precautions taken by anyone. Common sense should tell you, to get back a good bit and not be standing on the side of the road.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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I think the outcome clearly illustrates that this was a stupid and reckless stunt. Furthermore there were many kids there who would not be expected to surmise the danger of the situation they were placed in by the organizers and driver who should have known better.

It was a disaster waiting to happen.

I can only imagine how bad everyone involves feels but that does not change the fact that it should not have occured.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
that does not change the fact that it should not have occured.
I agree with that.

Hind sight is always 20/20.

I can't belive that the police didn't atleast contact the local DOT and borrow some concrete barriers to line the street with for the weekend. I'm sure they would have let them use them no cost. Still not 100% safe, it wouldn't have a sand trap at the end to stop a run away car, but would have been better and maybe saved this incident. Assuming the car didn't climb the barrier and go on over into the crowd as I've seen them do on tracks too.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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I still think the throttle stuck....
And he did what he thought was right at the time...
But you don't have much time to think in 3 seconds...


...zap!
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:12 PM
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Another example of Mr. Critchley's sound judgment-

"Troy Warren Critchley pleaded guilty to driving while intoxicated in April 2000,according to court records from Loudoun County, Va."

Maybe he was lit up!

Investigation continues.

Lawyers circling....
 

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
Another example of Mr. Critchley's sound judgement-

"Troy Warren Critchley pleaded guilty to driving while intoxicated in April 2000,according to court records from Loudoun County, Va."

Maybe he was lit up!

Investigation continues.

Lawyers circling....

That has nothing to do with this.

Do we need to charge gun manufacturers, the NRA, the politicians that push CC in our state, ammunition makers, police (for not being there in time), and coat manufacturers with murder when one person pulls a gun and kills another? Whether it be done purposely or by accident, that one person who's finger is on the trigger is the one that gets charged. The same applies here.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SFAforester
That has nothing to do with this.

Do we need to charge gun manufacturers, the NRA, the politicians that push CC in our state, ammunition makers, police (for not being there in time), and coat manufacturers with murder when one person pulls a gun and kills another? Whether it be done purposely or by accident, that one person who's finger is on the trigger is the one that gets charged. The same applies here.
No we need to charge people whose reckless actions cause death and injury to others. And in this case, at this juncture, that would seem to be Mr. Critchley (the driver) and possibly those event organizers who set up this burn out fiasco that resulted in the deaths of seven young people.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
No we need to charge people whose reckless actions cause death and injury to others. And in this case, at this juncture, that would seem to be Mr. Critchley (the driver) and possibly those event organizers who set up this burn out fiasco that resulted in the deaths of seven young people.

Why stop there? The police were in charge of setting up the area and making it "safe".

Trust me, if I was a judge, I would likely be nick named Roy Bean II "The Hangin' Judge". I have some of the least patience or compasion.

But so far with the evidence that has been presented to us. At this point I could not with good consious string anyone single person up for what appears to be the neglect of safety and public protection by what could easily reach 1000's of people, officials, and public servants.

It's perfectly natural to want to hold someONE responsiable. But everyone in the town was involved in the event.

By law, past convictions can not be used as evidence in later crimes.
If it comes out that they found he was intoxicated or under any influence at the time (which I am sure they tested for at the hospital, when they took him too.) If something was found then you would have something. Other wise that is null and void, not even an argument to be considered in this case.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 12:18 AM
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Why stop there? The police were in charge of setting up the area and making it "safe".

Trust me, if I was a judge, I would likely be nick named Roy Bean II "The Hangin' Judge". I have some of the least patience or compasion.

But so far with the evidence that has been presented to us. At this point I could not with good consious string anyone single person up for what appears to be the neglect of safety and public protection by what could easily reach 1000's of people, officials, and public servants.

It's perfectly natural to want to hold someONE responsiable. But everyone in the town was involved in the event.

By law, past convictions can not be used as evidence in later crimes.
If it comes out that they found he was intoxicated or under any influence at the time (which I am sure they tested for at the hospital, when they took him too.) If something was found then you would have something. Other wise that is null and void, not even an argument to be considered in this case.
Of course it can't be used against him in court but we are not in court are we?

At any rate even if he is not charged in criminal court he may face civil court.

Why are you defending this guy? He F-ed'up bad, real bad.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 12:26 AM
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Wow doesnt really suprize me that this happened, honestly there are so many things that should have been done that werent done....

my condolences go out to the families, especially the mother that lost 2 daughters...
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 01:00 AM
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Why are you defending this guy? He F-ed'up bad, real bad.
Because so far I do not find anything that indicates that he messed up.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko

Why are you defending this guy? He F-ed'up bad, real bad.
I agree, but he's not the only one who F-ed up real bad either!! No way is HE 100% responsible for the entire thing. Everyone wants to sit back and judge and point fingers at this guy. You being one of them, or you wouldnt be throwing in the fact he has a prior for DUI. At this point I can't see how anybody can pin this on him 100%, and have a clear conscience afterwards. I would rather die, then have to be in his shoes and live the rest of my life with the feeling in the pit of my stomach because I was involved in an ACCIDENT THAT COST LIVES, AND DESTROYED FAMILY/FRIENDS!!!

 
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