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dude... seriously... thank you for your service. You are the one that makes this a great country. I did my time in the AF ... I would join in a heartbeat now if I wasn't so friggen old. You have something to be proud of when all is said and done. Sure we need to be there and kick some serious butt.. if only things weren't driven by polls maybe we would. Be safe over there and enjoy it the best you can.

 

You think if there was a Draft, and we were actually raising taxes to Pay for the war instead of adding it to our Deficit we'd Still be in Iraq now?

I agree, people Do need to "feel" this war. I know if effects me Personally every day when I read in the news about the 10 more brave American Soldiers that just died!

Let's raise gas to 4 dollars a gallon. The extra money will go to the Soldiers, their equipment, the Hospitals obviously need it. I wish American's WERE feeling it. Be prepared for something like that if this Iran thing goes down...

 

Does one have to lose someone personally to be personally affected? I hate to see soldiers being laid to rest. I hate to see young men and women sitting in hospitals only shells of their former selves from the effects of war. On a more general scale, we are all being affected with the budget deficit.

A parallel drawn between law enforcement (LE) and the military is a mistake. Our military is second to none. They are the best of the best but they are not police. We are asking them to police Iraq and that isn't fair to them. On their military mission they were a resounding success. They obliterated the Iraqi army and the government was deposed in no time at all. Now however they are asked to provide LE amid a civil war.

I personally do not equate withdrawal to surrender. Iraq is a huge mess. Many people predicted exactly what we are experiencing now. Went in with faulty intelligence and manufactured reasons. The best I can come up with and it isn't perfect is to secretly tell the Iraqi gov't, "we are outta here on __/__/____". I can't see any other way out. We aren't going to fix it and the attacks aren't going to stop. Our guys will drive around with their hands tied and wait to be targeted again.

 

This message isn't to the terrorists, it's to the Iraqis! There are grown men there than can fight and die for their OWN country. I think they're now realizing we Are gonna leave and it's time for them to step up. This is the Real message here.

The date is a Line in the sand. The good guys know it, and the Bad guys know it. If the Iraqi's want to get run over and taken by Extremists, go ahead. At least Then we won't feel Bad the Next time we have to bomb them.

 

No, you just made a sarcastic remark about stem cells that did nothing to further discussion. I countered with some facts about stem cell research.

Grim

 

The people that say we have no business over in Iraq are wrong, Plain and simple. We went over to Iraq not because of terrorism on America, but because Saddam was a sick #!@$ who deserved to be excuted, and so did his sons. We went over there because had had to put a stop to people being slaughtered simply for being who they are. We went over there because it was the right thing to do. America has always stood for freedom, not for ourselves, but for the whole world. We stopped a tyranical goverment from killing its own people and offered them a life where they can choose. This is a big change for that region, common people in the middle east have never had a voice, and it will be a tough transistion. But it is change that is worth fighting for. It really agrevates me when people say we have no right being there, and when hypocritical democrats say " I would never have voted for the war if we knew what would happen." We are defending lives of people who want to stand up and have a voice. A voice that every man and woman and a right to. I have one more year left of school then I will be entering the Marine Corps as an officer so I can go over there and defend the freedoms of people who cannot defend it themselves. For the rights of people that will try to take it away. We need to be over there, not because of policy, not because of terrorism.. But because people are being oppressed and killing for thinking different, but more simply it is the RIGHT THING TO DO. so I want to say thankyou to all the men and women have the courage to do what is right, and to sacrafice theirs lives for a greater good that democrats cannot see. I want to say thank you to our commander in chief, the Honorable President Bush, who has the foresight to see that our efforts of nessecary and the courage to stand against the crticizing public. And I want to thank you all, the supporters of our figthing men and women. SEMPER FI!

 

Thank you CHRIS1450 for the kind words, and thank you for your service to this country. If it was up to me I'd let ya back in, the older guys have more common sense than some of these punks we get in today. That is why i am NOT in favor of the draft, it is bad enough some scumbags slip through the cracks and end up working with/for me. A lot of these guys/gals have no idea what the military is about, i guess their recruiter lied to them as many of them do to young people. The military isn't a democracy, when your told to do something we are trained to just do it and bit%h about it later. Don't get me wrong I know that we have the best military people in the world and we have proven that time and time again. But unless you have served with some of these problem children you have no idea, its one thing to work in the civilian world next to a knucklehead, you can just fire him or her, but if my life is dependant on this individual....can you say friendly fire....J/K I wouldn't do that but you get what I mean.

 

If we went over because Saddam was so bad why wasn't that the reason given.

If we went over to protect the innocent why do millions continue to die in the Sudan with not even a peep from the US or the rest of the world.

The US has the duty to protect one country's freedom, Ours. We are bound to protect no one else. Now if we have alliances in place than we should fulfil our word but I believe those types of alliance should be few and far between.

We are not the world's savior.

 

This message isn't to the terrorists, it's to the Iraqis! There are grown men there than can fight and die for their OWN country. I think they're now realizing we Are gonna leave and it's time for them to step up. This is the Real message here.

The date is a Line in the sand. The good guys know it, and the Bad guys know it. If the Iraqi's want to get run over and taken by Extremists, go ahead. At least Then we won't feel Bad the Next time we have to bomb them

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then you know nothing about the mind set of the radical muslims. It is dishonorable to quit a war until you have obliterated the enemy. They will see us as cowardly. Of course if the dumbocrats get there way, then we will be cowardly. It amazes me how people project there thoughts to other cultures and think that they think like us. Truely amazing. For stability in the middle east it is imperitive that we have a permanent presense there. That isn't even arguable while we use patrolium to make the world go round.

 

This is exactly what we did as a country by imposing our western-style beliefs of freedom and democracy on a culture 1000s of years old.

 

I don't care about their ancient civilization, if they think they can kill our citizens because of their mis-beliefs, they'll get what they deserve. Mess with the bull and you'll get the horns.

 

But Iraq didn't attack us and had no involvement with 9/11

 

You still believe those lies? That's like saying there weren't WMD's there. They (Iraqi's, Iranians, whoever) kill us regardless, so who cares.

They kill our soldiers, so they (Iraqi's) deserve what they get.

 

Someone better tell Bush that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSunCsrkLTw

 

Blah blah, bad intel, blah blah. Those people still kill our citizens, no matter where they are, they deserve what they get.