I guess I'll just keep on reloading my ammo and stock-piling it 'cause one day we just might need those arms that the libs want to take away from us.

 

30%??? more like 70% if asked to answer some basic questions about life,liberty, and the persuit of happiness. That is called the silent majority.

 

Disapproving of the president is not the same as wanting to pull out of Iraq. I disapprove of the president because of the way he has handled government spending and his "amnesty-light" immigration program. We're in Iraq and we can't leave until we finish the job.

I don't know how much this was covered in the media, but there was a USA Today poll last week that showed 2/3rds of the Iraqis want us to stay for the time being. We are there under a UN mandate that I think is renewed every year. I honestly don't understand why people want us to leave so badly. Look what happened in SE Asia when we pulled out, starting with more than one million dead Cambodians.

Grim

 

They would never show that, it would go against everything they haev been saying already. Plus it doesnt hurt GW, not what they have been going for.

Its the same as our situation in Afghanistan, the only time anyone hears anything positive is when the troops themselves are interviewed. The link I posted earlier is an interview with LtGen Hillier, one of the few interviews done that showed the positive effects of Canadian troops there.

 

We talk to the enemy as if we have a majority. We don't. Apparently the majority wants us to surrender.

Can this be?

Do Ameicans actually want to surrender to islamic fundamentalists?

Adding a time line when the president says that he will veto any bill with a time line tells me that a majority of Americans want to surrender.

Loading a "war on terror" funding bill with a boat load of pork leads me to believe that there is a will to surrender to the terrorists islamic fundamentalist.

Is this the message that the voters have sent to congress? That we want to give up and let terrorists reign? My vote doesn't reflect this sediment.



It may have been far away from you. It was less than two hundred miles from me. I've been there to see the aftermath. It's bad. For all we say about New Yorkers, they have suffered the brunt. So far. Do you really want to know what they have felt?

It's all just images on your plasma TV untill it hits the city near you. Did you vote that invitation?

I didn't.

 

It is for reasons like this that I wish the President has a line item veto. To me it appears obvious that Congress has been picking fights with the President with every piece of legislation. It really is petty and childish. In my opinion they should have proposed a troop withdrawal based on completed goals, not dates. That would have given the President a way out and the bill would not be vetoed. They could still jump up and down acting like all conquering heroes bragging about how good they are. Instead Congress chose to turn this into a pissing match, again.

 

Could you post a link to that information? I just find the Opposite:

Poll: Most Iraqis favor U.S. pullout in a year


(CNN) -- Seventy-one percent of Iraqis responding to a new survey favor
a commitment by U.S.-led forces in Iraq to withdraw in a year.


The majority of respondents to the University of Maryland poll said
that "they would like the Iraqi government to ask for U.S.-led forces
to be withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less," according to the
survey's summary.


"Given four options, 37 percent take the position that they would like
U.S.-led forces withdrawn 'within six months,' while another 34 percent
opt for 'gradually withdraw(ing) U.S.-led forces according to a
one-year timeline.' (Watch why one analyst says U.S. strategy is flawed
-- 1:45)


Our Troops Even want out!


http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

 

I dont' have a link. I read it in the paper, not on the web.

Grim

Edit: Zogby, WTF:

Zogby totally blows it with this comment. WMDs were one of the justifications for the USA to overthrow Hussein, but the main mission in Iraq of the war WAS and IS

1) to overthrow Hussein and
2) to establish a stable representative form of government.

Zogby writes this as if the troops are wrong about the mission when, in fact, Zogby is incorrect. Regime change in Iraq had been the official policy of the US government since at least the Clinton era.

Grim

 

What paper was it? I'm very interested to see this information.

You can't argue WMD's weren't one of the Major justifications of this invasion. Maybe not the Only one, but at least the primary one Bush used and promoted before the war (remember the state of the Union address and Colin Powell's "intellegence" photos of Mobile Chemical Weapons labs disguised as ordinary farm equipement, that actually turned out to Be ordinary farm equipment!)



Thanks,

 

 

The paper was USA Today. I don't know what date. It was the international edition and I was overseas when I read it.

I'm not saying that WMD's were not a justification for the war. WMDs were one of the primary reasons President Bush used for justifying regime change. However, regime change was ALWAYS the primary goal. You can't go to war against a WMD. You go to war against the people owning or using the WMDs, in this case the Hussein regime. Zogby is wrong while the troops are correct.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0020912-1.html

Read the link above. It might make what I'm saying more clear.

Grim

 

Wish they'd send some to Iraq!

 

Show those insurgents a thing or two

The taliban made the mistake of not taking us seriously when the tanks first arrived. Started shooting mortars at Kandahar field and ended up with the Leopards shooting back.

 

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WMD's where a main reason. With good reason. Every intelligence agency in the world agreed. So did all the dumbocrats. So we haven't found any yet... so friggen what? It doesn't mean they weren't there and taken out and hidden. He used them on his own people for crying out loud! You quote zogby and cnn (communist news network) and call that reliable? those are two of the most liberal agencies in America. Hardly can be called solid polls or information. And don't go off on me about Fox news.. That is pretty liberal too. And with a hell of a lot more viewers that cnn besides.

 

Syria isn't too far away for the WMD's to be transported without anyone seeing, and don't think there aren't any tunnels in Iraq leading to Syria.