Oh hell - I don't even use XPee - I still use Win2K and have no reason or desire to upgrade. It WORKS. I haven't reformatted in over 6 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

It's what I'm here for.

Now before I continue I'm gonna rant because I don't feel like starting a new forum . . . .

It's 12:38 AM. And I'm up . . . typing in an online forum . . . why?!?!?! Because I have no friggin' life!!!! I re-enter the working world and this is what happens!!!!! I'm in at 8:30 this morning and finished at 11:45 PM !!!!!
And for what?!?!?! (Just a note, for any of you who suffer the mass delusion that Hollyweird is a glamorous business, think again. And oh boy I gotta go back at 8:00AM tomorrow . . . and on the weekend.

I'm too old for this stuff.

OK, rant off . . . where was I . . . oh yeah, replying to D:


Maybe . . . Maybe not. I know Scully went ballistic and I had heard Apple sued, but I thought it was more than five, and I also heard that there was really nothing that could be done about folks who resigned and then "went elsewhere" as it were. But seriously, that's neither here nor there. The thing is, OSX is Unix (or a variant thereof), it was not only all new code, it was an entirely different OS. My original point was that OSX new from the ground up in every way . . . Vista . . . lipstick on a pig, but it's still the same old pig.

OK, that's harsh, (funny but harsh), the point being it is not a different OS. You could say, as I did, that they just bolted on to what was already an established. You could make the argument that 2K was all new and that XP/Vista expands it, but I don't believe that is really the case.

Regardless, the transition from System 7-9 to OSX was a monumental change down to the foundation because it was and entirety different OS. You can't say that for Windows.

To hear some tell it, it only take one. From some of the stories I hear, Tevanian built the underpinnings of NextStep by himself. Is it true? I doubt it, but it makes a great story.


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(Previously on Kobi's endless rambling)

Blah, blah, blah . . . .

Actually, I didn't mean similarities in appearance (although there are touches and you can certainly see some attempts to create a similar ambiance) . . . I was talking more about the overall user experience and features. Once Longhorn finally got stopped being pushed back and the official announcement that it would be Vista was announced, Microsoft released a number of PR blurbs and did this whole thing on their website where they itemized all of the amazing new features of Vista . . . and it was like reading a laundry list of features OSX had already had for two years. Microsoft made it sound like they had reinvented computing (or rather the "computing experience") when really what they had done was study OSX and basically apply it to XP. Now to be fair, I have not really played with Vista other than to see it and recognize that the GUI elements still have the same look as if they were done by the same designer who did XP . . . which is to say it looks like the JC Penney version of OSX. (Hey, just my opinion). And i have heard that Vista can really crank and do a lot once you turn all the visual crap off. But hey, this is Apples and Oranges (no pun intended).

Yup, and I wasn't implying that they chose it for "The Power Of Aqua". The remark was that OSX was the OS of dummies (or some inanity like that). It's actually a very, very, powerful OS under the hood. Just like a Porsche. Any idiot can get in and drive it, and it will work just fine. You don't have to be Mario Andretti to drive one, but if you happened to have his skill level you can do amazing things with it. This also applies to this that you wrote too:

Again, you may think of it as the dummification of an OS but think about it, if you can take something that powerful and complex AND make it so elegant and simple that any grandmother can use it . . . THAT'S impressive. THere are people who will argue this point, but I have used both OS and still do and the Mac is much more logical in how you do things and easier to get out of problems with should you find yourself there. To this day Windows seems archaic in the way it does things or in the way it refuses to do things . . . granted, it little quirky crap, but it's still problematic. And also granted, it's just as much as my being used to one way of doing things and not always accepting something different. (No, I can't give you an itemized list of what these are because I'm going to bed now, but as they arise at work tomorrow I will note them and list them here).

Hey, no argument. I can get the job done with both, it's just that I enjoy doing it more on a Mac (because it's a more awesome OS )

 

Wow what a first thread to get caught up on.

You guys are amazing.

I double checked my Opera address bar and made sure I was still on F150online.

Two people who have a clue actually trading witty, intelligent, factual barbs.

Piggy just flew by my window.

(D, no need to wait for me you are doing a perfect job. RISC based processors!....I love the fact that ya'll pulled that one out and actually understand its difference.)

GAME ON

 

I've never used an Apple computer (but I do have an Ipod) so I have no opinion on which OS is better. Eleventy katrillion users can't be wrong, can they? Bill Gates himself, might think OSX is better than Vista, as he laughs all the way to the bank.
Bill Gates' net worth-$50,000,000,000
Steve Jobs' net woth-$5,000,000,000

 

OS X ... new? from the ground up???? You ARE joking right?

ITS UNIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when is Unix "new"?

Can mac right click yet?

HAHAHAHAHA

 

Easy with the 'all new code' and 'new from the ground up' talk sparky. Even NeXT's O/S started out from a Carnegie Mellon Unix-replacement project and the the BSD kernel. There hasn't been an 'all new' O/S since the 80s (OS/2), and I doubt we will see another one in our lifetime.

What's even more ironic is two of the CMU folks that worked on the project now work for Microsoft & Apple. How funny is that?

What's funny is OS X is the same old unix/linux pig that dates back to the 70s. That's an old pig. OSX is years and years of bolt-ons and refinement. No different that Vista. However, tracing back the origins of Vista you get to Windows NT 3.1... and that was derived from OS/2 (that cool little o/s that was developed FROM SCRATCH between IBM and MS). The OS/2 project was started in the mid-80s. That makes Vista roughly 10 years younger than OSX. D'oh! Oink oink.

That's kinda true. MS jointly developed their NT kernel while making boat loads of cash with the crappy consumer o/s Winders 3.1, WFW, Win95 & Win98. Microsoft did a brilliant job merging the wickedly awesome NT kernel into the consumer product line. A very smooth transition that appeared as if XP was just a Windows98 upgrade. In reality it was a totally new OS when compared to 98. With Apple's failed attempts at its own next-gen OS they had no other choice but to do what they did with OSX. D'oh!


That is sorta true, he was one of the gentlemen I mentioned earlier that worked at Carnegie Mellon with the now MS dude. After a quick fact check, the MS dude (Richard Rashid) was the Lead Developer on the project. So you could stretch it to say Microsoft was responsible for OSX. Ahhh, I crack myself up.

I hear you, but that's marketing and the like. Everyone copies everyone else and markets it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Heck, I think a few features from OSX where hocked from Windows. We could argue feature comparisons until OSXI and Vista II are released.

Yeah, and I'm still waiting for that OS to come along. Sure OSX is simple to use for an end user but it hides the good stuff from you. Maybe I can suggest to Apple that when you login as Admin you get a nice complex, nuts-and-bolts-in-your-face version of Aqua. Let me do my thang without dumming anything down. On the flip side, Windoze gives you the nuts and bolts in 'yo face and is clunkier to use because of it. I like to think my locked-down dummified XP workstations are just as easy as OSX since you can't do anything but run your apps with them...


Anywho... I hope this other project gets approved and I get my dual processor Power Mac for my office. Then I'll have the best of all worlds at my fingertips.

 

I'm going to assume that because I was working for 16 hours straight that I was not clear enough because I was half asleep when I wrote it . . .

I was not saying Unix was new. . .

I was trying to say that OSX was an entirely different OS over OS 9 (and its predecessors). It went from that to Unix . . . entirely different . . . not Unix to Unix . . . for the Mac 1000000% different, not one thing the sme . . . for the Mac, NEW.

As to whether the Mac can right click, yes it can. Has been able to since the release of 10. I use a wacom 5 button mouse on my tablet and it has all functions on all five.

But, does Apple make a multibutton mouse - nope, and quite frankly it's stupid of them not to do so.

 

As I mentioned in my post above I did not mean NEW as it seems to have been interpreted. I'm speaking in relative terms between each OS and their earlier versions.



You cracked me up too . . . I'm still laughing (seriously, not sarcastic)

Actually, if we are gonna go way back, we should say Xerox is responsible for all of it. Jobs and Woz went to Xerox Parc, took that puppy, created what we have today, Gates was there to if I'm not mistaken, he ran with it to . . . so I guess we can say they're all theives!


Dude, you should see the system I just got for the office . . . MacPro Quad 3.0 blah blah blah . . . two terrabytes worth of HD enoguh ram to kill a nation, and damn . . . just . . . DAMN!

:santa:

 

Well I wouldn't know about the first statement since im in my senior year of college but I know going to the bar and having fun gets you plenty of **** also Just for the record, it wasn't an argument.......I was just trying to help ya out Seems you had a lot of tension and best way to fix it is ****

 

Glad we got that 'all new' stuff cleared up, and your right they are all theives!

Man... Xerox is responsible for just about everything in the modern computing world. OSs, laser printers, ethernet, LCDs, optical disks, etc... that research facility is still making a big impact on our world today. Funny when people say Xerox they think copiers, I think of Palo Alto.

That's just wrong.... I want one!

Dude, I could have been getting laid while reading your post and still lost it. That incoherent babble was enough to put me in rant 'n rip mode. I enjoy my own tirades.

 

Beats me . . . it's was paid for by the production office, it's their machine. I just made a list of what I wanted, handed it to them, and the next day it magically appeared, delivered by some guy wearing a DHL shirt. It was a whole Final Cut Studio Setup. The irony is I'll never use it . . . they got some pimply faced college intern working it at the moment.

(Damn shameful waste of a perfectly fine piece of machinery).

 

Now that is painful. I hate ordering sweet equipment and then handing it to some schmoe that has no clue how to use it.

 

WEIRD

 

Hey, I have a potential opportunity to get the last MacBook Pro for $1300, should I pull the trigger?

• 2.0GHz Intel Core Duo Processor T2500
• 512MB RAM
• 80GB hard drive
• SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
• AirPort Extreme
• Bluetooth
• Mac OS X
• 15.4" display