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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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Good choice Kobi!!!!! I got the 2.33 GHz MacbookPro and it has exceeded all expectations I went Pro because I use it for aerospace engineering and it helps handle graphics
. There is only two downfalls to the MacBooks in my opinio (may not apply to yours) 1: It gets insanely hot on the bottom, I saw someone put a digital thermometer on the bottom of theirs and it got in the neighborhood of 130+ degrees. 2: I have gone through 3 chargers already bc of the high temperatures, which gets annoying. However the Apple Care takes care of everything, iLife is amazing, and it is so simple to use.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
So have you loaded Vista yet?
no and i'm not sure if i ever will. machine is a couple years old and when its time to replace i'll get whatever they have out at that time. if i were to get alot more serios in my photography i'd probably consider going back to mac
had no problem with the os i had (i think 8) on older powermac desktop. might have go the "kobi" route and get a laptop for the photo stuff.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by poor spelling/bad grammar xflyboy
if i were to get alot more serios in my photography i'd probably consider going back to mac
had no problem with the os i had (i think 8) on older powermac desktop.
Oh boy are you in for a shock. The current Mac OS is nothing like the old OS. It's better, no doubt, but just be ready to say "What the hell?!?!?!"

Originally Posted by wise but confused xflyboy
might have go the "kobi" route and get a laptop for the photo stuff.
Kobi™ doesn't use the MacBook for Photoshop (only in a pinch or while on location), instead Kobi uses a G5 Power Mac with dual processors, a big assed 23" Cinema Display, and a Wacom tablet - and you should too.




Even more impressive is the new MacPro, and once PS goes Intel native next month, watch out . . . it will be Scary Fast.
 

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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Even more impressive is the new MacPro, and once PS goes Intel native next month, watch out . . . it will be Scary Fast.
Kinda like it is now on an IBM T60p running Vista? Oh SNAP!



 
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 10:58 AM
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Kinda like it is now on an IBM T60p running Vista? Oh SNAP!



On Vista? Maybe after you turn off all the animation and vis fx and other eye-candy uselessness . . . that weighs it down by about . . . what . . . 33% after you trash all that, then MAYBE it will run as fast as an Intel Native MacPro running CS3 even with OS X's aqua environment which slows down the Mac not a bit. Oh Snap Back!

(Pontification continues . . . .) Yes, the kids at Microsoft, trying desperately to mimic the look and feel of OS X, rather than write something new, svelte, and with less baggage, have no originality and instead bolted on more code to an already bloated and cumbersome OS. You can only put so much lipstick and makeup on an Ugly Girl before you clog her pores so much that she dies of asphyxiation because her skin couldn't breath.

Yes, the Mac Rules!!!!! Muhahahahahahahaha! It's the best OS in the known universe, Windows sucks!!!!!

Oops . . . sorry. Got carried away there. God, I hope Vader doesn't read that, he's gonna be pissed.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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On Vista? Maybe after you turn off all the animation and vis fx and other eye-candy uselessness . . . that weighs it down by about . . . what . . . 33% after you trash all that, then MAYBE it will run as fast as an Intel Native MacPro running CS3 even with OS X's aqua environment which slows down the Mac not a bit. Oh Snap Back!

(Pontification continues . . . .) Yes, the kids at Microsoft, trying desperately to mimic the look and feel of OS X, rather than write something new, svelte, and with less baggage, have no originality and instead bolted on more code to an already bloated and cumbersome OS. You can only put so much lipstick and makeup on an Ugly Girl before you clog her pores so much that she dies of asphyxiation because her skin couldn't breath.

Yes, the Mac Rules!!!!! Muhahahahahahahaha! It's the best OS in the known universe, Windows sucks!!!!!

Oops . . . sorry. Got carried away there. God, I hope Vader doesn't read that, he's gonna be pissed.
Its ok dude. I wish I could live in the Mac-filled euphoria that you do. I'm still trying to ponder how OSX 10.4 and its 86 millions lines of source code (as reported by Steve Jobs, 8/06) is more "svelte, and with less baggage" than Vista and its reported 50 million lines of source code.




...and that sir, is the ultimate "OH SNAP!"**







** I'm just filling in until Vader shows up.


EDIT: Don't even get me started on how inaccurate your "have no originality and instead bolted on more code to an already bloated and cumbersome OS." statement is....
 

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 01:17 PM
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Its ok dude. I wish I could live in the Mac-filled euphoria that you do. I'm still trying to ponder how OSX 10.4 and its 86 millions lines of source code (as reported by Steve Jobs, 8/06) is more "svelte, and with less baggage" than Vista and its reported 50 million lines of source code.




...and that sir, is the ultimate "OH SNAP!"**







** I'm just filling in until Vader shows up.


EDIT: Don't even get me started on how inaccurate your "have no originality and instead bolted on more code to an already bloated and cumbersome OS." statement is....

Dude . . . all I know is that OS X works, smoothly, quickly, elegantly, even with all the Aqua stuff. Not only that but it's more intuitive, easier to use, and better looking.

It just works.

"Oh my . . . . he it that one well . . . it's going, going, oh my - that one's out of the park, goodbye Mr. Spaulding !!!!! Ultimate Mega Snap!!!!!"
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dzervit
Its ok dude. I wish I could live in the Mac-filled euphoria that you do. I'm still trying to ponder how OSX 10.4 and its 86 millions lines of source code (as reported by Steve Jobs, 8/06) is more "svelte, and with less baggage" than Vista and its reported 50 million lines of source code.




...and that sir, is the ultimate "OH SNAP!"**






** I'm just filling in until Vader shows up.


EDIT: Don't even get me started on how inaccurate your "have no originality and instead bolted on more code to an already bloated and cumbersome OS." statement is....
So it took Microsoft 5 years to write 50 million lines of source code And mac is already upgrading there system w/in 2 years of its release can someone say Leopard Don't worry im sure by 2011 microsoft will copy another mac program............. Snap Crackle and POP LOL
 

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 03:58 PM
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Dude . . . all I know is that OS X works, smoothly, quickly, elegantly, even with all the Aqua stuff. Not only that but it's more intuitive, easier to use, and better looking.
XP worked... smoothly, quickly... granted not as elegantly but very easy to use once you've worked with it for a bit. I find OS X clunky when it comes to actually working on the machine... hell just trying to setup a network printer is PITA compared to XP's add printer wizard. Getting to the control panel is also 2x easier in XP. The Start, Run in XP is far better than any feature in any O/S alone. Keep in mind I speak from a power user/geek perspective. 98% of dolt end-users don't use it, or even know what to do with it. That's why I enjoy XP/Vista so much... all biznaz. No hiding features, functionality behind some cute interface. Want to mess with the O/S settings? One click away! Prefer a command line to get the job done without even touching a mouse? No problem! I had high hopes for OS X but alas the Terminal functionality is not what I had hoped. *sigh*


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So it took Microsoft 5 years to write 50 million lines of source code And mac is already upgrading there system w/in 2 years of its release can someone say Leopard Don't worry im sure by 2011 microsoft will copy another mac program............. Snap Crackle and POP LOL
WOW. I mean... really, WOW. Pop quiz children... how long and what was OS X derived from? Anyone? Anyone... Bueller? Lemme answer that for you since you obviously don't have a freakin' clue. It's core came from NEXTSTEP, an O/S developed by good 'ol Steve Job's former company, NeXT in the mid to late 80s. The O/S was refined into its next version OPENSTEP then *poof* Apple purchases NeXT, Jobs is at the helm and OS X is born after two more years of programming OPENSTEP. Also, keep in mind while Jobs was off doing his thang, Apple made a couple failed attempts at creating its very own next-gen O/S for its cute little computers. Yes, that's right... they sucked so bad at it they couldn't even get anything to the market and absorbed another company to get the O/S they needed. So stop with this "Apple is jammed full of programming wizards while MS just steals their code" bullchit. And while we are at it dunce-bag, Vista has not a HINT of any lame-o Apple code. It was initially derived from XP, then the project was scrapped and they started from scratch with the help of the Windows 2003 Server core. No linux code, no NeXT code... all MS. Also the reason for the delays... they built it from almost nothing.

You Mac goobers make me laugh!!! Just bow to the almighty PC/Mac guru that is me. I love PCs, I love Macs, I love Linux/Unix/Whatever-ix. I know them all, some better than others. Your not going to convince me of this superior O/S crap. They each have their purpose. Just keep using your pretty little hide-the-nuts-and-bolts-from-me OSX and shut 'yer pie hole.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dzervit
XP worked... smoothly, quickly... granted not as elegantly but very easy to use once you've worked with it for a bit. I find OS X clunky when it comes to actually working on the machine... hell just trying to setup a network printer is PITA compared to XP's add printer wizard. Getting to the control panel is also 2x easier in XP. The Start, Run in XP is far better than any feature in any O/S alone. Keep in mind I speak from a power user/geek perspective. 98% of dolt end-users don't use it, or even know what to do with it. That's why I enjoy XP/Vista so much... all biznaz. No hiding features, functionality behind some cute interface. Want to mess with the O/S settings? One click away! Prefer a command line to get the job done without even touching a mouse? No problem! I had high hopes for OS X but alas the Terminal functionality is not what I had hoped. *sigh*



WOW. I mean... really, WOW. Pop quiz children... how long and what was OS X derived from? Anyone? Anyone... Bueller? Lemme answer that for you since you obviously don't have a freakin' clue. It's core came from NEXTSTEP, an O/S developed by good 'ol Steve Job's former company, NeXT in the mid to late 80s. The O/S was refined into its next version OPENSTEP then *poof* Apple purchases NeXT, Jobs is at the helm and OS X is born after two more years of programming OPENSTEP. Also, keep in mind while Jobs was off doing his thang, Apple made a couple failed attempts at creating its very own next-gen O/S for its cute little computers. Yes, that's right... they sucked so bad at it they couldn't even get anything to the market and absorbed another company to get the O/S they needed. So stop with this "Apple is jammed full of programming wizards while MS just steals their code" bullchit. And while we are at it dunce-bag, Vista has not a HINT of any lame-o Apple code. It was initially derived from XP, then the project was scrapped and they started from scratch with the help of the Windows 2003 Server core. No linux code, no NeXT code... all MS. Also the reason for the delays... they built it from almost nothing.

You Mac goobers make me laugh!!! Just bow to the almighty PC/Mac guru that is me. I love PCs, I love Macs, I love Linux/Unix/Whatever-ix. I know them all, some better than others. Your not going to convince me of this superior O/S crap. They each have their purpose. Just keep using your pretty little hide-the-nuts-and-bolts-from-me OSX and shut 'yer pie hole.
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by historically-incorrect-dzervit
XP worked... smoothly, quickly... granted not as elegantly but very easy to use once you've worked with it for a bit. I find OS X clunky when it comes to actually working on the machine... hell just trying to setup a network printer is PITA compared to XP's add printer wizard. Getting to the control panel is also 2x easier in XP. The Start, Run in XP is far better than any feature in any O/S alone. Keep in mind I speak from a power user/geek perspective. 98% of dolt end-users don't use it, or even know what to do with it. That's why I enjoy XP/Vista so much... all biznaz. No hiding features, functionality behind some cute interface. Want to mess with the O/S settings? One click away! Prefer a command line to get the job done without even touching a mouse? No problem! I had high hopes for OS X but alas the Terminal functionality is not what I had hoped. *sigh*



WOW. I mean... really, WOW. Pop quiz children... how long and what was OS X derived from? Anyone? Anyone... Bueller? Lemme answer that for you since you obviously don't have a freakin' clue. It's core came from NEXTSTEP, an O/S developed by good 'ol Steve Job's former company, NeXT in the mid to late 80s. The O/S was refined into its next version OPENSTEP then *poof* Apple purchases NeXT, Jobs is at the helm and OS X is born after two more years of programming OPENSTEP. Also, keep in mind while Jobs was off doing his thang, Apple made a couple failed attempts at creating its very own next-gen O/S for its cute little computers. Yes, that's right... they sucked so bad at it they couldn't even get anything to the market and absorbed another company to get the O/S they needed. So stop with this "Apple is jammed full of programming wizards while MS just steals their code" bullchit. And while we are at it dunce-bag, Vista has not a HINT of any lame-o Apple code. It was initially derived from XP, then the project was scrapped and they started from scratch with the help of the Windows 2003 Server core. No linux code, no NeXT code... all MS. Also the reason for the delays... they built it from almost nothing.

You Mac goobers make me laugh!!! Just bow to the almighty PC/Mac guru that is me. I love PCs, I love Macs, I love Linux/Unix/Whatever-ix. I know them all, some better than others. Your not going to convince me of this superior O/S crap. They each have their purpose. Just keep using your pretty little hide-the-nuts-and-bolts-from-me OSX and shut 'yer pie hole.

Uh . . . dude, if we're gonna play the history game in claiming the Mac folk were useless after the changing of the guard, then technically that argument ultimately favors Apple.

After Jobs' ouster and his subsequent starting of NeXT, a lot of the original Mac Team followed. He did bring in Avie Tevanian out of CMU, not of the original Apple team but if you're going to start splitting hairs, then you would have to say that the original Mac brethren left and then came back. The purchase of NeXT and taking OpenStep and turning it into OSX would, in essence, actually be the original Mac people . . . so, one could argue that it was in fact the Mac-dudes who wrote all new code from the ground up . . . the only difference being who was sitting in the Board of Directors seats at the time. So the argument that the Winders kids were writing original code for the new OS also applies in the case of OSX essentially. Using your line of thinking that means that OS X is even more awesome than Vista.

And by the way, no one was claiming that Vista took Apple's code, I was referring to the look and functionality. They tried so desperately to make it OSX like and fell way short. (And interestingly enough, some one else commented that OSX is the OS for dummies . . . what does that say for the kids in Redmond trying to mimic the retard's OS . . . would that make windows users retarded times 2?)

As for being the OS for dummies . . . I guess that why it's the preferred platform for bio-sciences, pure mathematicians, and those crazy Japanese kids who clustered a bunch of G5s to make the largest supercomputer in the world (at the time) . . . morons the lot of them I guess.

As for using Console (the OSX terminal) I guess it's a matter of preference (as all of this is actually) I've heard from some pretty sophisticated folk that it's awesome. Oh well, half of one, six dozen of another.

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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 06:54 PM
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My sister has always owned Macs. She just recently had to purchase a windows machine to take some online courses.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dzervit
XP worked... smoothly, quickly... granted not as elegantly but very easy to use once you've worked with it for a bit. I find OS X clunky when it comes to actually working on the machine... hell just trying to setup a network printer is PITA compared to XP's add printer wizard. Getting to the control panel is also 2x easier in XP. The Start, Run in XP is far better than any feature in any O/S alone. Keep in mind I speak from a power user/geek perspective. 98% of dolt end-users don't use it, or even know what to do with it. That's why I enjoy XP/Vista so much... all biznaz. No hiding features, functionality behind some cute interface. Want to mess with the O/S settings? One click away! Prefer a command line to get the job done without even touching a mouse? No problem! I had high hopes for OS X but alas the Terminal functionality is not what I had hoped. *sigh*



WOW. I mean... really, WOW. Pop quiz children... how long and what was OS X derived from? Anyone? Anyone... Bueller? Lemme answer that for you since you obviously don't have a freakin' clue. It's core came from NEXTSTEP, an O/S developed by good 'ol Steve Job's former company, NeXT in the mid to late 80s. The O/S was refined into its next version OPENSTEP then *poof* Apple purchases NeXT, Jobs is at the helm and OS X is born after two more years of programming OPENSTEP. Also, keep in mind while Jobs was off doing his thang, Apple made a couple failed attempts at creating its very own next-gen O/S for its cute little computers. Yes, that's right... they sucked so bad at it they couldn't even get anything to the market and absorbed another company to get the O/S they needed. So stop with this "Apple is jammed full of programming wizards while MS just steals their code" bullchit. And while we are at it dunce-bag, Vista has not a HINT of any lame-o Apple code. It was initially derived from XP, then the project was scrapped and they started from scratch with the help of the Windows 2003 Server core. No linux code, no NeXT code... all MS. Also the reason for the delays... they built it from almost nothing.

You Mac goobers make me laugh!!! Just bow to the almighty PC/Mac guru that is me. I love PCs, I love Macs, I love Linux/Unix/Whatever-ix. I know them all, some better than others. Your not going to convince me of this superior O/S crap. They each have their purpose. Just keep using your pretty little hide-the-nuts-and-bolts-from-me OSX and shut 'yer pie hole.

Can we all say......... GET LAID YOU NEED IT
 
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Old Mar 28, 2007 | 11:02 PM
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Uh . . . dude, if we're gonna play the history game in claiming the Mac folk were useless after the changing of the guard, then technically that argument ultimately favors Apple.

After Jobs' ouster and his subsequent starting of NeXT, a lot of the original Mac Team followed. He did bring in Avie Tevanian out of CMU, not of the original Apple team but if you're going to start splitting hairs, then you would have to say that the original Mac brethren left and then came back. The purchase of NeXT and taking OpenStep and turning it into OSX would, in essence, actually be the original Mac people . . . so, one could argue that it was in fact the Mac-dudes who wrote all new code from the ground up . . . the only difference being who was sitting in the Board of Directors seats at the time. So the argument that the Winders kids were writing original code for the new OS also applies in the case of OSX essentially. Using your line of thinking that means that OS X is even more awesome than Vista.

And by the way, no one was claiming that Vista took Apple's code, I was referring to the look and functionality. They tried so desperately to make it OSX like and fell way short. (And interestingly enough, some one else commented that OSX is the OS for dummies . . . what does that say for the kids in Redmond trying to mimic the retard's OS . . . would that make windows users retarded times 2?)

As for being the OS for dummies . . . I guess that why it's the preferred platform for bio-sciences, pure mathematicians, and those crazy Japanese kids who clustered a bunch of G5s to make the largest supercomputer in the world (at the time) . . . morons the lot of them I guess.

As for using Console (the OSX terminal) I guess it's a matter of preference (as all of this is actually) I've heard from some pretty sophisticated folk that it's awesome. Oh well, half of one, six dozen of another.

Kobi ("Mac goober")
God bless you Kobi for making an intelligent argument and keeping me sane.

Jobs only took five people from Apple with him when he left. Apple sued but it was settled. The real question becomes who where those five, what positions did they hold at Apple and how much of the Apple engineering team did they compose? Those are questions I do not know and would really unlock your theory. But it takes more than 5 guys to build an O/S... I also know you didn't claim Vista was a rip off of OSX, that was Ryan24's whacked-out assumption. As for the look and function, Vista is a more refined version of XP, Win2K, and even Win95. I personally don't see many similarities outside of the translucent windows that Vista now offers and its more purdied up desktop. The "start" button is still there, its all menu driven... control panel, IE, blah blah blah its all a more refined Windows. The only other claim I could see is the use of widgets... but with widgets having been used for years on the PC platform I don't see much weight to the argument.

Those bio-chemists and like preferred the platform, along with Sun, HP-UX, IBM-AIX & others because they are RISC based platforms and very handy for their line of work. It had little to do with the purdy O/S or ease of use.

I despise the dummification of an O/S. It makes it harder for the pros to get the job done as we have to jump through useless hoops to accomplish administrative tasks (thus my distaste for OSX in the enterprise). The OSX terminal is sweet, but Apple weirded out its linux implementation and its not like other builds. I will admit this is a lack of knowledge on my part and a potential perceived issue.

And finally, I did not mean to imply Vista was more awesome that OSX. I'm simply saying Vista is pretty bad **** and the gap between OSX and Vista is nil. They are both solid, stable, powerful and easy to use.

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Can we all say......... GET LAID YOU NEED IT
Funny, I get plenty of ****. Guys who are smart, witty, confident and make excellent coin usually do. Nice argument though sport.
 

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