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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by chester8420
Why do you think it will pull more than a V10 which has MORE horsepower? Have you even driven a V10? If so, what did it not pull?
I have never owned either but have drove both, have never towed with either though. After driving the V10, it may be showing more Horse power on paper but horsepower curve is waaaay to steep and torque wasn't anywhere near the peak HP.

As far as what it wont pull compared to the diesel... according to Fords website with same rear ends, even though they are not offered in the same configurations...... the 6.8L Triton® SOHC SEFI 30-valve V10 with 4:1 rear gears is 12,500 lbs across the board. The 6.0L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel 32-valve V8 with 4:1 is 15,000....

So I'd say it wont pull about 3,500 lbs what the diesel will..... ironically the GCWR is also the same 3,500lb spread between the two engines.....

As I said in another thread on the F150 diesel, towing is about torque, a much smaller diesel engine can tow alot more than a much larger gas engine, even if the specs say the gas engine has more power. So lets look at the specs of the two engines....

6.8L Triton® SOHC SEFI 30-valve V10
362 hp @ 4,750 rpm
457 ft lbs @ 3,250 rpm

Thats actually a pretty narrow gap between peaks for a gas engine, 1500 rpm peak to peak..... So when it's getting the most torque for towing, then it's probably cranking about 300 ponnies too. Assuming the curve is a nice gradual curve and not a mountain peak.

6.0L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel 32-valve
325 HP @ 3,300 rpm
570 ft lbs @ 2,000 rpm

A mere 113 ft lbs more torque and only 37 less horsepower.....

Little narrower gap in rpms between the peaks, 1300 rpm peak to peak and we can be sure the diesel has a very gradual curve, It's doesn't rise much at all. At 900 rpms it's kicking out 516 ft lbs of torque... starts out with more torque than the peak of the V10. Consistency beats maximum any day of the week, unless the maximum is consistent.

Your going to need a stroked 8.0L gas engine to get the same numbers and performance as the 6.0L diesel for towing.
 

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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 02:01 AM
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I can't say as I would. I really have no need for such a monster. My F150 is really more than I need now that we're done moving around the country but I can't afford to trade it in right now, it's paid for!
 
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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMX113
I'd buy a brand new SD, sell my truck, and keep the rest of the change.
same here...
 
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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
If you could afford one, would you really consider an F-250 being in your driveway?
Yup.



Originally Posted by Bighersh
I'd read somewhere that a properly equipped F-250 can out tow an F-350 dually (Which made me wonder what the benefit of the F-350 was, over the 250). I'm sure there is a distinction, otherwise there'd be no need for the number diffence.

Is it payload?
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Payload. More leaf springs and stuff.
Not quite, the 2 and 350 share the same frame, suspension, and with exception to the 350 dually's Dana 80 axle, the same Sterling 10.5. The differences include different sized blocks over the rear axle 2" vs 4", and different rated GVWRs. This is only a numbers game so if a user don't need the 350's numbers, a 250 could allow for less insurance/registration/tag fees.

Originally Posted by allrsdup
same here...
How exactly would that work?

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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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next truck will be a 350, no more 150's for me.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
If you could afford one, would you really consider an F-250 being in your driveway?

There have been times I wanted to get a black F-350 Crew cab, dually, loaded. Tint the windows jet black, and cruise aroudn Dallas in it.
I don't need another one.

Next time I'm there, I'll let you drive my truck around for a while. It's not as bad as a dually, but I'm sure you'll quickly realize how great your F150 rides & drives. Not to mention trying to get into some of those parking garages! Haven't tried the ones on campus, but the hotel there at Legacy Park causes me some major butt-pucker.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by adrianspeeder
Yup.







Not quite, the 2 and 350 share the same frame, suspension, and with exception to the 350 dually's Dana 80 axle, the same Sterling 10.5. The differences include different sized blocks over the rear axle 2" vs 4", and different rated GVWRs. This is only a numbers game so if a user don't need the 350's numbers, a 250 could allow for less insurance/registration/tag fees.



How exactly would that work?

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what do u mean how would that work?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Would you buy a SuperDuty?

No, I don't need another one.


I love my big gas hog.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chester8420
Yep, and how many trannies did you put in it? How much did it cost to change the oil? How much more is diesel than gas? How much extra is the diesel option? How much gas can you buy with the extra money? 22mpg? In a 8,000lb truck? My uncle's 7.3 barely gets 18mpg unloaded. (which is good, I think) Did you turn it off at drive thru's, or when someone drove up along side to talk cause you couldn't hear anything? Did you like smelling the diesel fumes when the wind was blowing the exhaust toward the cab or when standing around with the engine idling? Why do you think it will pull more than a V10 which has MORE horsepower? Have you even driven a V10? If so, what did it not pull? Did you like HAVING to plug it in on a cold day? Did you like it not starting if you forgot to plug it in? Did you like having to replace the batteries every 2 years? Sure it has its advantages, but they aren't that great.
Chester, Didn't mean to get you all thightened up. If you would read my previous comments, that's why I got rid of it. To much cost in maintenance, noise bothered my neighbors and smoke in winter, if I didn't plug it in at 20 below or colder, Shame on me. But you are right. Thing is, I really liked that noisey, smelly truck. No I have never driven a V10 SD so I can't compare. But I've heard much good things about them except for the MPG. But sorry if I hit a nerve there. Take care.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by allrsdup
what do u mean how would that work?
Hows a F-150 gonna net 45k+?

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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by adrianspeeder
Hows a F-150 gonna net 45k+?

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its not, maybe u should read the original post.... it sais if u got a check in the mail for 45k what would u do. thumper said he would buy a superduty sell his truck and put the money in my pocket, i said i would do the same... can u understand that better
 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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OK, I've read where you guys are mentioning having to plug in the F-250 (diesel) if it gets cold...

I was in Germany for 2 years where the temp hovered aroudn zero for several days at a time, not to mention incredibly cold Korea.

All our trucks ran of diesel, and we didn't plug in anything, and they'd start right up... Well, once the glow-plug light went out- which may be up to 10 seconds on a super-cold day.

That was the GM 6.2L 155 HP ( dunno how much Torque, Hummers and the I6 Diesel (Multifuel) 2.5 ton trucks. Are you guys saying that the even more modern 7.3L Ford (And certainly hope not the 6.0L Powerstroke) has to be babied like that?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lees99f150
I'll get one when they have the Caterpillar 6.6.






Small Cats may be coming soon to a dealership near you. They won't be in the 250/350's, though. Have you seen the '07 Cat NASCAR stocker? Word is that they've talked to Cat regarding a diesel for their heavy duty truck which is coming soon.
 
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