PS3 supply exceeds demand..
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Originally Posted by Patman03SprCrw
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dont care about WiFi, or HDMI output, and currently dont have anything at my apt that would support HD output, so umm Ill take the 400 dollar 360 over the 600 dollar PS3. Not to mention all my regular Xbox titles can still be played
dont care about WiFi, or HDMI output, and currently dont have anything at my apt that would support HD output, so umm Ill take the 400 dollar 360 over the 600 dollar PS3. Not to mention all my regular Xbox titles can still be played
yah thats my thought too. Until I purchased a 40" LCD TV w/HDMI input, I wish the 360 would do 1080p through HDMI the picture would look amazing.
Also my router is located in my office room and my xbox is located in the living room, so I'm running a 50ft ethernet cable down the hallway to the living room so I can play Xbox Live. That $100 wifi adapter is looking pretty good right now since my wife keeps bitching about the ugly cable.
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Lumadar - I'll stake $100 that Sony wins big in the long run. 1-2 years Sony will still dominate the console market. They have the install base, the developer support, and the technology to make it. The Wii, while cute, cannot compete long term. Nintendo has done it all right thus far, but they are not in it to win the console wars. They just wanted to avoid the GameCube disaster and continue to please the shareholders.
I have no stock in Sony, other divisions of the company are bombing. Sony has lost its luster in consumer electronics and fierce competition in the broadcast/movie world is hurting them. Consumer entertainment is where its at. They put a lot on the line with the PS3 and its a winner. Slow out of the gate but it can go the distance.
The PS3 is an engineering masterpiece. Hell, if they wanted they could come out with games that can take advantage of a USB keyboard & mouse.
Where did you get the figures about the returned units?
Yes, the e-bay people are idiots. They took a gamble and lost. Boo-hoo. I saw Wii's right at cost on e-bay during x-mas... those clowns gambed and lost as well. Hell, right now there are over 1200 Wii's for sale on e-bay, most going for barely over retail. Yippie! The initial PS3 rush people doubled their money. Good for them, they struck when the iron was hot.
And your Best Buy math is nuts. Put up $100 and we'll compare sales figures in 18 months from today. I'm more than happy to admit I'll be wrong and cut you a check and say I was wrong. My take - Console sales winner: Sony.
I have no stock in Sony, other divisions of the company are bombing. Sony has lost its luster in consumer electronics and fierce competition in the broadcast/movie world is hurting them. Consumer entertainment is where its at. They put a lot on the line with the PS3 and its a winner. Slow out of the gate but it can go the distance.
The PS3 is an engineering masterpiece. Hell, if they wanted they could come out with games that can take advantage of a USB keyboard & mouse.
Where did you get the figures about the returned units?
Yes, the e-bay people are idiots. They took a gamble and lost. Boo-hoo. I saw Wii's right at cost on e-bay during x-mas... those clowns gambed and lost as well. Hell, right now there are over 1200 Wii's for sale on e-bay, most going for barely over retail. Yippie! The initial PS3 rush people doubled their money. Good for them, they struck when the iron was hot.
And your Best Buy math is nuts. Put up $100 and we'll compare sales figures in 18 months from today. I'm more than happy to admit I'll be wrong and cut you a check and say I was wrong. My take - Console sales winner: Sony.
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Ok, so talk about beating a dead horse with a stick.
All you just did was tell me 5 different times that PS3 is a winner, "just wait and see."
Yet, you failed to give me even ONE reason why. Or address ALL of the valid points I made. Hmm.
With an argument (or lack there of) like yours in terms of why the PS3 is a "winner," it sure seems like a blind loyalist's argument and nothing more.
And in case you don't know, that quote I posted above was by one the very best, and most renowned developers in the world. He, like many others have shown extreme disgust for the poor development aspect of the PS3. It is incredibly hard to work with, and proving to be much harder than anticipated.
There are games out now that "look" amazing but suffer from extreme frame rate loss during peak action. In other words, it can not sustain the frames at that resolution, so what's the point?
The Wii, on the other hand, comes with a developer package that is incredibly intuitive and developer are raving about it. Which means that Wii will have lots of developer support since it is less time consuming, and obviously less expensive (and therefor less risky) than developing games for the PS3.
We shall see indeed, but as of right now, the Wii looks more promising. You have yet to give a single valid reason as to why the PS3 is a "Winner."
All you just did was tell me 5 different times that PS3 is a winner, "just wait and see."
Yet, you failed to give me even ONE reason why. Or address ALL of the valid points I made. Hmm.
With an argument (or lack there of) like yours in terms of why the PS3 is a "winner," it sure seems like a blind loyalist's argument and nothing more.
And in case you don't know, that quote I posted above was by one the very best, and most renowned developers in the world. He, like many others have shown extreme disgust for the poor development aspect of the PS3. It is incredibly hard to work with, and proving to be much harder than anticipated.
There are games out now that "look" amazing but suffer from extreme frame rate loss during peak action. In other words, it can not sustain the frames at that resolution, so what's the point?
The Wii, on the other hand, comes with a developer package that is incredibly intuitive and developer are raving about it. Which means that Wii will have lots of developer support since it is less time consuming, and obviously less expensive (and therefor less risky) than developing games for the PS3.
We shall see indeed, but as of right now, the Wii looks more promising. You have yet to give a single valid reason as to why the PS3 is a "Winner."
PS3 Too costly
Thet cost too dang much and acording to the gaming experts and other tech people the 360 still out performs the ps3, plus the blue ray thing people aren't sure if it is just another tech wave that will come and go like the whole vhs vs beta. the only thing 360 is missing is the hdmi and 1080p. Plus who wants to spend $30 on a dvd?
The 360 sold more units than the PS3 since the PS3 came out through the holiday rush.
The 360 sold more units than the PS3 since the PS3 came out through the holiday rush.
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Have any of you heard about this?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/t...dename-zephyr/
Cant wait...
Later,
Luis S
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/t...dename-zephyr/
Cant wait...
Later,
Luis S
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Originally Posted by dzervit
consider this: Just yesterday they passed the 2,000,000 units sold worldwide. Its been on the market for two months. They reached that milestone faster than any other previous system. Plus, with Sony still selling the PS2 is hurting PS3 sales. Hell, Sony peddled more PS2s during the holidays than Microsoft sold 360s.
I still haven't seen any on store shevles around here.
I still haven't seen any on store shevles around here.
I think it will be released in March here.
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Originally Posted by vader716
Xbox 360 offers Hi Def.
X has a ton of great games.
X has a great online service.
X is well established and has most bugs worked out.
X costs a lot less.
Wii is more fun to play
Wii has a great launch library
Wii has the best controller/interface available.
Wii costs a 1/3 of the PS3
Wii is small and slick looking
Wii comes with a great game in the box.
PS3 has virtually no must have games
PS3 is expensive
PS3 isn't that much better than the X in power
PS3 supports a soon to fail Hi-Def standard DVD format
Big black brick.
I was going to pick up a PS3 but why...there is nothing to play and I'm not big on spending $600 plus for a system with no games.
Dzervit was wrong. The PS3 and Sony are in deep deep trouble. They need a killer game on the market now...no yesterday.
X has a ton of great games.
X has a great online service.
X is well established and has most bugs worked out.
X costs a lot less.
Wii is more fun to play
Wii has a great launch library
Wii has the best controller/interface available.
Wii costs a 1/3 of the PS3
Wii is small and slick looking
Wii comes with a great game in the box.
PS3 has virtually no must have games
PS3 is expensive
PS3 isn't that much better than the X in power
PS3 supports a soon to fail Hi-Def standard DVD format
Big black brick.
I was going to pick up a PS3 but why...there is nothing to play and I'm not big on spending $600 plus for a system with no games.
Dzervit was wrong. The PS3 and Sony are in deep deep trouble. They need a killer game on the market now...no yesterday.
I don't support Sony this go around. Great console minus the blu ray and price tag.
Go Wii.
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
Ok, so talk about beating a dead horse with a stick.
All you just did was tell me 5 different times that PS3 is a winner, "just wait and see."
Yet, you failed to give me even ONE reason why. Or address ALL of the valid points I made. Hmm.
With an argument (or lack there of) like yours in terms of why the PS3 is a "winner," it sure seems like a blind loyalist's argument and nothing more.
And in case you don't know, that quote I posted above was by one the very best, and most renowned developers in the world. He, like many others have shown extreme disgust for the poor development aspect of the PS3. It is incredibly hard to work with, and proving to be much harder than anticipated.
There are games out now that "look" amazing but suffer from extreme frame rate loss during peak action. In other words, it can not sustain the frames at that resolution, so what's the point?
The Wii, on the other hand, comes with a developer package that is incredibly intuitive and developer are raving about it. Which means that Wii will have lots of developer support since it is less time consuming, and obviously less expensive (and therefor less risky) than developing games for the PS3.
We shall see indeed, but as of right now, the Wii looks more promising. You have yet to give a single valid reason as to why the PS3 is a "Winner."
All you just did was tell me 5 different times that PS3 is a winner, "just wait and see."
Yet, you failed to give me even ONE reason why. Or address ALL of the valid points I made. Hmm.
With an argument (or lack there of) like yours in terms of why the PS3 is a "winner," it sure seems like a blind loyalist's argument and nothing more.
And in case you don't know, that quote I posted above was by one the very best, and most renowned developers in the world. He, like many others have shown extreme disgust for the poor development aspect of the PS3. It is incredibly hard to work with, and proving to be much harder than anticipated.
There are games out now that "look" amazing but suffer from extreme frame rate loss during peak action. In other words, it can not sustain the frames at that resolution, so what's the point?
The Wii, on the other hand, comes with a developer package that is incredibly intuitive and developer are raving about it. Which means that Wii will have lots of developer support since it is less time consuming, and obviously less expensive (and therefor less risky) than developing games for the PS3.
We shall see indeed, but as of right now, the Wii looks more promising. You have yet to give a single valid reason as to why the PS3 is a "Winner."
I've given pleny of reasons the PS3 will come out on top.
- Largest install base by miles, 60% of PS2 owners that plan to buy a new console said they will buy a PS3 (survey as of Dec 06). You are seriously underestimating Sony's brand loyalty group. Hell, if just 30% of PS2 owners buy a PS3 they'll kick the snot out of the Wii.
- It has the technology for the long haul.
- The games will come. 4,000+ titles for the PS2, you really think they won't have crap out for the PS3?!
- Sony is being very open with the hardware, even allowing Linux to be loaded on the PS3. The 'hacker' communitiy is elated about this. That's a big plus.
- blah blah blah... so do we have a bet?
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First off, I don't care one way or the other about ANY game console. With that said, $600 is a LOT of money for a game. What percentage of PS2 'owners' are kids that their parents bought it for them? They splurged on the $300 for the PS2 but I think $600 is gonna stop a lot of them from going any further for junior. Not to mention the $60 for a freakin' game for it. It's not like all of the game players out there are twenty somethings with a job so they can **** away money on this crap. 
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To be fair Dzervit has spelled out his reasons in other threads and frankly I'd get sick of retyping them too.
The PS3 has a ton of loyal fans and when they get a killer app I'm sure the sales will spike. I'd be surprised if the PS3 isn't the biggest selling console in a few years but out of the gate the Wii is a sprinter...we'll have to see which console has the closing power.
The PS3 has a ton of loyal fans and when they get a killer app I'm sure the sales will spike. I'd be surprised if the PS3 isn't the biggest selling console in a few years but out of the gate the Wii is a sprinter...we'll have to see which console has the closing power.
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No doubt the PS3 is the winner in the graphics department, and that will improve as designers get used to it, but at the moment, the Wii is in the lead.
360 - while a nice console (I am not an XBOX fan), it's not a NEXT GEN Console. It's basically the same as the XBOX, but with some "meat".
I'm with dzervit on the PS3 in some ways....give it some time and that bad boy will rule....but for now, "nope, not gonna happen". Sony screwed up BIG TIME with a $600 price tag. Not everyone can afford to buy a console for that kind of money. If it would have been priced like the rest, I'd have one too.
I can go on and on about the Wii ... but that isn't the topic here.
360 - while a nice console (I am not an XBOX fan), it's not a NEXT GEN Console. It's basically the same as the XBOX, but with some "meat".
I'm with dzervit on the PS3 in some ways....give it some time and that bad boy will rule....but for now, "nope, not gonna happen". Sony screwed up BIG TIME with a $600 price tag. Not everyone can afford to buy a console for that kind of money. If it would have been priced like the rest, I'd have one too.
I can go on and on about the Wii ... but that isn't the topic here.