Another recall, but not Ford
Originally Posted by Lumadar
How am I blind? Beyond that, I spent months researching on the internet on all kinds of websites, asking owners, etc. I love cars/trucks more than 99% in America, I live for them. I am always paying attention to what people say about their vehicles, the news, articles, magazines etc, I am NOT a blind consumer.


Originally Posted by Lumadar
And for those of you that haven't taken classes about surveys/context/news etc to understand how it is incredibly easy to throw results of such things, you are vastly mistaken to take all surveys or statistics to heart. 

Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Oops… 

Where did I state that I took everything I read to heart? Oh wait, nowhere. On top of the fact that I was referring to polls and surveys that are taken by groups and how easily those results can be thrown. My research was heavily based on personal 1 on 1 discussions, as well as comparing and CONTRASTING numerous scientific type studies and weeding out fact from fiction. But then again I'm sure you wouldn't understand that and will make an attempt to claim my age keeps me from being able to do adequate research and make up my own mind about a product
Nice try though, I guess, considering how completely owned you got before that I would hope you would try to do something to salvage yourself.
Originally Posted by Lumadar
And for those of you that haven't taken classes about surveys/context/news etc to understand how it is incredibly easy to throw results of such things, you are vastly mistaken to take all surveys or statistics to heart. 

Originally Posted by Lumadar
Wait, I'm sorry, did you think that made sense?
Where did I state that I took everything I read to heart? Oh wait, nowhere. On top of the fact that I was referring to polls and surveys that are taken by groups and how easily those results can be thrown. My research was heavily based on personal 1 on 1 discussions, as well as comparing and CONTRASTING numerous scientific type studies and weeding out fact from fiction. But then again I'm sure you wouldn't understand that and will make an attempt to claim my age keeps me from being able to do adequate research and make up my own mind about a product
Nice try though, I guess, considering how completely owned you got before that I would hope you would try to do something to salvage yourself.
Where did I state that I took everything I read to heart? Oh wait, nowhere. On top of the fact that I was referring to polls and surveys that are taken by groups and how easily those results can be thrown. My research was heavily based on personal 1 on 1 discussions, as well as comparing and CONTRASTING numerous scientific type studies and weeding out fact from fiction. But then again I'm sure you wouldn't understand that and will make an attempt to claim my age keeps me from being able to do adequate research and make up my own mind about a product
Nice try though, I guess, considering how completely owned you got before that I would hope you would try to do something to salvage yourself.

Oops again…
Actually you answered your first question of ” Where did I state that I took everything I read to heart? further down in your paragraph where you state ” comparing and CONTRASTING numerous scientific type studies”
You state prior to that you had done ”personal 1 on 1 discussions” I am curious as to how many ”personal 1 on 1 discussions” you had completed and when charting the data gathered by those discussions how it panned out “statistically”, that would be interesting to know.
Another interesting thing to know is just how did you finance ”numerous scientific type studies” and how many is numerous and I’ll let you get by with a ballpark figure. I would also politely ask if you would share all these ”numerous scientific type studies” that you personally financed and provide the credentials of these scientist you funded, if that’s not a problem, you might as well get your monies worth…
I would surmise from your previous statements you did not rely on any “scientific type studies” from the internet or any magazine or news paper and the reason I would surmise that is because you clearly pointed out to the rest of us how no one should really trust, or take to heart, any ”surveys/context/news etc.” context would include any type of study including “scientific”.
You see you just keep digging yourself into a hole and as it gets deeper you continue to try and get a hand up by basic name calling, which would be another definition of “naive”.
As I have politely stated before there is nothing wrong with having blind loyalty to a brand, in this case Ford, many people do, it’s sad and greatly prolongs improvements, but it is a fact of life and it does come natural for many people.
I’ll cut you some slack because you’re young and hope in 10 years you will have the wisdom of a 30 something and you’ll “get it”. Don’t feel bad its not a put down that your young and absolutely love a particular brand but don’t come on line proclaiming how your 22 but have the knowledge and wisdom of a 30 year old when you clearly show you do not by your post.
That is not to say people in their 20’s are not mature because there are a lot of people here in their 20’s and they show how mature they are with their post. Rarely do you see them, or others, revert to name calling and ”Dude you got owned” when they simply can not bring their point across and/or others disagree with them that is where the mature adults are separated by the immature people which can also include other adults…
You have completely missed my point and never really bothered to actually “study” it to see what it was. If you were truly capable of deciphering ”scientific type studies” then it should have been very simple to decipher my point but since you were not capable let me briefly recap it for you and make it as simple as possible:
1. I do not believe Ford has the highest quality vehicles.
2. I do not believe Ford has very great customer service.
3. I do not believe Ford has their customer best interest at heart.
4. I like Ford vehicles, and some of them I have owned with quality issues, I have had taken care of.
5. I did not sign up for team Ford when I purchased any of my Ford vehicles.
6. Purchasing a Ford vehicle in no way makes me responsible in any manner for coming to Ford’s aid.
7. I believe, due to facts, one way a company can move forward and improve itself is with honest feedback from its customers.
8. I believe, due to facts, one way a company makes changes for the better is when forced to do so and the one main way of accomplishing that is to not give them your money.
9. I do believe Ford could advance itself simply by copying many of the things Toyota does both in manufacturing techniques and public relation techniques.
10. I do believe anybody who completely defends a company against all negative comments does not have a clue…
You state prior to that you had done ”personal 1 on 1 discussions” I am curious as to how many ”personal 1 on 1 discussions” you had completed and when charting the data gathered by those discussions how it panned out “statistically”, that would be interesting to know.
Another interesting thing to know is just how did you finance ”numerous scientific type studies” and how many is numerous and I’ll let you get by with a ballpark figure. I would also politely ask if you would share all these ”numerous scientific type studies” that you personally financed and provide the credentials of these scientist you funded, if that’s not a problem, you might as well get your monies worth…
I would surmise from your previous statements you did not rely on any “scientific type studies” from the internet or any magazine or news paper and the reason I would surmise that is because you clearly pointed out to the rest of us how no one should really trust, or take to heart, any ”surveys/context/news etc.” context would include any type of study including “scientific”.
You see you just keep digging yourself into a hole and as it gets deeper you continue to try and get a hand up by basic name calling, which would be another definition of “naive”.
As I have politely stated before there is nothing wrong with having blind loyalty to a brand, in this case Ford, many people do, it’s sad and greatly prolongs improvements, but it is a fact of life and it does come natural for many people.
I’ll cut you some slack because you’re young and hope in 10 years you will have the wisdom of a 30 something and you’ll “get it”. Don’t feel bad its not a put down that your young and absolutely love a particular brand but don’t come on line proclaiming how your 22 but have the knowledge and wisdom of a 30 year old when you clearly show you do not by your post.
That is not to say people in their 20’s are not mature because there are a lot of people here in their 20’s and they show how mature they are with their post. Rarely do you see them, or others, revert to name calling and ”Dude you got owned” when they simply can not bring their point across and/or others disagree with them that is where the mature adults are separated by the immature people which can also include other adults…
You have completely missed my point and never really bothered to actually “study” it to see what it was. If you were truly capable of deciphering ”scientific type studies” then it should have been very simple to decipher my point but since you were not capable let me briefly recap it for you and make it as simple as possible:
1. I do not believe Ford has the highest quality vehicles.
2. I do not believe Ford has very great customer service.
3. I do not believe Ford has their customer best interest at heart.
4. I like Ford vehicles, and some of them I have owned with quality issues, I have had taken care of.
5. I did not sign up for team Ford when I purchased any of my Ford vehicles.
6. Purchasing a Ford vehicle in no way makes me responsible in any manner for coming to Ford’s aid.
7. I believe, due to facts, one way a company can move forward and improve itself is with honest feedback from its customers.
8. I believe, due to facts, one way a company makes changes for the better is when forced to do so and the one main way of accomplishing that is to not give them your money.
9. I do believe Ford could advance itself simply by copying many of the things Toyota does both in manufacturing techniques and public relation techniques.
10. I do believe anybody who completely defends a company against all negative comments does not have a clue…
Last edited by 01 XLT Sport; Jul 20, 2006 at 07:04 PM.
Well done, well not really. Let's see how your terrible reading comprehension skills aided you this time:
Read that again buddy. Note how I said I comapred and contrasted numerous studies, and NO WHERE did I state that I considered them all to be true? Good one
Next:
Well, for starters I never did say that the research I did was a scientific study, nor a survey with the intention of gathering statistics. Therefore, I did not track the "results" in such a manner. I simply made a personal note of each encounter (whether it was with a person, or an article, etc).
Once again your reading skills are TERRIBLE.
Where did I EVER even imply that *I* was conducting scientific studies? Oh wait no where. I simpyl stated I used them as sources. There you go again attempting to twist what I say to better your argument, and yet...your argument still couldn't hold water if your life depended on it.
Yet again, as I said before, and I'll say it again...because of the fact that I am not ignorant I did not read every survey, test, study as pure fact. But instead, applied common sense and got out of it as much as I could and through COMPARISON and CONTRASTING review I was able to DO MY BEST to establish the difference between fact and opinion. And even still, that is impossible to perfectly do.
Laugh. It was oh-so-clear that YOU my friend "didn't get it" when I posted my reply on page 3 that was filled with nothing but fact and strong argumentative points to which you replied "Kids." Wow, could you possibly have admitted you were wrong any more obviously than that? Don't think so...give it up.
Hah, well, since you have clearly displayed your lack of comprehension of the English language, let me then point out the fact that you just implied that what you have been writing has been a scientific study. Hah. So please, mr scientist, can I see YOUR list of credidentials and sources?
Oh, and btw, you have failed to address any of the points I made back on page 3 (presumably because they were all valid and you "got nothing."
But thanks for trying
Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Actually you answered your first question of ” Where did I state that I took everything I read to heart? further down in your paragraph where you state ” comparing and CONTRASTING numerous scientific type studies”
Next:
Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
You state prior to that you had done ”personal 1 on 1 discussions” I am curious as to how many ”personal 1 on 1 discussions” you had completed and when charting the data gathered by those discussions how it panned out “statistically”, that would be interesting to know.
Once again your reading skills are TERRIBLE.
Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Another interesting thing to know is just how did you finance ”numerous scientific type studies” and how many is numerous and I’ll let you get by with a ballpark figure. I would also politely ask if you would share all these ”numerous scientific type studies” that you personally financed and provide the credentials of these scientist you funded, if that’s not a problem, you might as well get your monies worth…
Originally Posted by 01 xlt sport
I would surmise that is because you clearly pointed out to the rest of us how no one should really trust, or take to heart, any ”surveys/context/news etc.” context would include any type of study including “scientific”.
Originally Posted by 01 xlt sport
I’ll cut you some slack because you’re young and hope in 10 years you will have the wisdom of a 30 something and you’ll “get it”. Don’t feel bad its not a put down that your young and absolutely love a particular brand but don’t come on line proclaiming how your 22 but have the knowledge and wisdom of a 30 year old when you clearly show you do not by your post.
Originally Posted by 01 xlt sport
You have completely missed my point and never really bothered to actually “study” it to see what it was. If you were truly capable of deciphering ”scientific type studies” then it should have been very simple to decipher my point but since you were not capable let me briefly recap it for you and make it as simple as possible:
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Oh, and btw, you have failed to address any of the points I made back on page 3 (presumably because they were all valid and you "got nothing."
But thanks for trying
Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
I love Ford too…


So.
Did anyone catch that movie last night on .... "oh, what channel was that?" I cant remember the name of it.
Anyway, it had what's his face in it, and I cant remember the chicks name. Good huh?
Anyway else catch that movie?

PSSST
J-150:
Now would be a good time to change the subject.
Did anyone catch that movie last night on .... "oh, what channel was that?" I cant remember the name of it.
Anyway, it had what's his face in it, and I cant remember the chicks name. Good huh?
Anyway else catch that movie?

PSSST
J-150:
Originally Posted by RockPick
Good lord...
I'm going to have to get out the cane again aren't I? Will you 'dolts' stop the stupidity... please?
I'm going to have to get out the cane again aren't I? Will you 'dolts' stop the stupidity... please?



