Yes Ford screws up, although I would call the tire problem a problem for Firestone. Something that was proven by Car and Driver when the tested the Explorer with other tires and made them act like a blowout. Explorer never even wavered on the road from any speed they tested, including 70mph.

Edit - some info on the test - http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._1/ai_74029043


Also there is a big difference about this type of thing between the US and Japan. Here, when a company hides stuff, people see how much money they can make off the company. In Japan, they throw the leadership in jail.

 

The difference is not sitting here and putting forth blindness and double standards.

Toyota is not perfect. Ford is not perfect. To profess either is perfect and without mistakes is blind or a hater.

 

If the Explorer was the problem, why don't you hear about the rollovers any more now that the Firestone tires have been taken off?

 

maybe you should Google this. Ford is currently fighting lawsuits for Goodyear equipped Explorers rolling over.


Also, Crown Vic gas tanks. Why did Ford put a bladder in Police Crown Vics, but are not making this bladder available to end-use consumers of CV, GM,TC?

How about cruise control fires.

How about those crappy ball joints. You dont think thats dangerous?

How about those supercab crash ratings?


No one is perfect. But like I said, let's not be blind about this. Ford is as guilty as Toyota in covering up defects.

 

Nobodies perfect, but 2 recalls in 2 days.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...ALL-URGENT.XML


Edit - The original post listed this recall as earlier this month, but Reuters states it was annouced today.

 

Firestone. All SUVs can rollover at any time with the wrong driver. I have personally inspected Firestone tires that had cracked sidewalls. The tires would blow, causing the tread to get wrapped around an axle, rollover.

 

And where are you coming up with that? I never said Ford was perfect, ever, and I agree that no automaker is, (in fact I stated exactly that in another similar topic that I am sure you read) but what I did state is I don't understand why it is that there are certain members that continually bitch and moan about how terrible their vehicles are...and yet, they still keep them?

Also, those same members seem to say how much BETTER Toyota/Chevy/Dodge are etc, and yet...they bought their "crappy" Ford. Heh. I guess I just don't understand how someone can continue to own their Ford if it is really so bad, if it's so bad sell it and move on so I don't have to read your bitching and moaning everytime I log in.

NEWSFLASH: This is an F150 owners ENTHUSIAST website that is devoted to owners of F150s that can come together and help eachother, and enjoy what each has to offer. NOT to come and read about sour Sally's dislike for his Ford.

 

wow this IS a newsflash.

As long as I've been coming here I didn't realize that we are only allowed to kiss Ford's butt and only kiss the a$$ of the F150.

My bad. I had no idea. I thought these were discussions, not mutual admiration sessions.

 

I agree. I'm pretty sick of reading all these people unhappy with the motors so that they have to buy an Edge and then spend countless threads talking about the Edge.

Face it, if it weren't for complaints or talk of changing the truck with aftermarket performance parts, there would not be a 2004 forum. It would be 3 threads and lots of crickets.

 

That's good.

 

I'm not trying to be a ****, but there are certain realities...

 

Wow, You've got it ALL figured out J150....maybe you should start your own automotive company produce an absolutely PERFECT vehicle that NO ONE can complain about.

Here's a clue....(for the clueless, that's you btw) Ford put the engine they did in the F150 because of a little something called economics. Ford realizes that to 90% (or better) of F150 owners the 4.6 and the 5.4 are more than sufficient.

And to the 10% that would want more, there is not enough financial benefit to them to spend a LOT of money to develop a new engine for. The loss factor from the few bitchers and moaners expecting a NACAR style race truck is far outwighed by the average consumer with a practical set of expectations.

Also, anyone find it funny that owners of Lightnings and SRT-10s, Titans and HEMI Rams are also posting in their forums about adding programmers, e-fans, exhaust, headers, and on and on? Gee, I guess NO ONE MAKES a big enough engine since people are modding them!

Or wait, here's an idea, maybe nomatter what people will want to have a faster, better ride than stock. And even people buying $200,000 FORD GTS are spending money to upgrade to TWIN TURBOS! I guess the GT is too slow too, right?

Go buy a damn jap crap truck and get off the boards already.

 

Lumadar:

Ford, or for that matter, any business loves people like you who have blind faith in them and will stand behind them no matter what. I own a Ford because I chose to own a Ford however just because I do in no way constitutes I must stand behind the blue oval at any cost…

Ford, and for that matter, any business hates people like me who will tell the truth regardless. What I stated about Ford IS fact, it is not disputable other then by those to young and/or to naïve to have a voice and mind of their own.

To make change possible, to help quality progress you need many people like me willing to voice the FACTS and voice them often. Since this is a “Ford” site per say this is the PERFECT place to voice negative factual opinions about Ford’s. One, who is young and naïve may ask “how is that so?” and the answer would be this would be a great site for Ford executives to read and see what their “current” customers actually have to say about their product.

If they read enough factual post about different issues “current” customers have it tends to lead to change and change for the better. When they read a majority of threads by young and naïve people who will praise the brand regardless of factually information that will tell you they have MANY issues, Ford will tend to believe everything is peachy king and not need to change anything.

You go on driving and owning your Ford while wearing you rosy glasses and rest assured people like me will continue to voice my factual concerns with Ford’s product and particularly their LACK of customer service.

I have never said Ford completely sucks and everyone is better but rather have stated many times all manufactures have their problems but at this time Toyota beats Ford in quality and customer service. Don’t get upset with the messenger, which is me, for delivering factual information for others to read and hopefully for some Ford executives to read and one day come to the conclusion that to maintain “current” customers you need to satisfy them better then any of your competitors. Ford needs to worry about keeping their “current” customers before they venture out for new ones because that is how you maintain a successful business…

I realize your most likely in your teens or very early 20’s so I am hopeful you will grow up one day to understand that when it gets down to it facts talk and BS walks…

 

Thanks for thinking you had me pinned from MISINTERPRETING my replies, now let me explain why your entire post was worthless.

For starters, I have not made these comments purely because I think Ford is the best with nothing to back that up, and that's it.

My parents (who are both over 60) have owned many vehicles in their lives, and in my dad's lifetime he was fortunate enough to own many vehicles. After he personally tried out just about every brand on the planet without bias he finally came to rest with Ford trucks. My brother had a 1989 Ford Ranger that lasted 163,000 miles with NOTHING but the clutch ever needing work. Literally. And he drove that truck HARD.

I previously had a Ranger for 3 years exactly, LOVED it, it was GREAT to me, the service was never a problem, and the only reason I switched to the F150 was for more room.

My Dad has gone trough Chevy, GMC, JEEP, and Ford trucks in his lifetime. And he said he is most impressed OVERALL by his Ford trucks.

Prior to his 2004 Lariat Screw purchase he had a 1997 F150 that served him like the great truck it was never needing more than a new seal on the rear differential, and I think shocks too. Considering my father never had the differential serviced (like it should have been) and he had been using it as a daily driver AND a work truck hauling loads so large (concrete etc) the bed nearly sat on the rear tires I am not surprised he needed new shocks at some point. He had that truck 8 years, with only needing a new seal and shocks? Man, yeah Ford really dropped the ball on that one. that's why my Dad bought his 2004 when they first came out, because he BUILT his TRUST from EXPERIENCE. So after he owned it for a year and had NO complaints I had no problem going out and getting my 2005 Lariat screw as I knew how great a product Ford was producing.

How am I blind? Beyond that, I spent months researching on the internet on all kinds of websites, asking owners, etc. I love cars/trucks more than 99% in America, I live for them. I am always paying attention to what people say about their vehicles, the news, articles, magazines etc, I am NOT a blind consumer.

In fact, I had been planning on buying a CHVROLET SILVERADO all along and putting 22s on that, as the CHEVY was my DREAM truck. Wow, fancy that? That was until Ford released the latest generation F150 and after research I decided it was the BEST truck out there. Perfect? Hell no. Flawless? Of course not. Without its downfalls and complaints? Nope. BUT, I truly believe BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE I HAVE HAD and the things I have read that is is the BEST truck available for what I want. I didn't want a race car. I wanted a well-rounded refined truck.

I hardly naive, you may want to look that one up. I was a moderator and member of a MASSIVE Ford Ranger forum for 2.5 years and I was emersed in information and first hand experience the entire time. I know about the good, and the bad.

I also worked at a Ford dealership for 9 months, and in that time I got to work on and see ALL kinds of used vehicles, trucks and cars alike. And of course all of the new Ford vehicles. I personally got to poke around and crawl underneath the vehicles after they had seen some use and abuse on the used car lot. and with that EXPERIENCE I was confident that Ford offered the best product.

Now those are some facts for you. And fyi I am 22 years old, and I have experienced and learned more in my 22 years than most experience/accomplish by the time they near 30. I know that's true because I have adults telling me that regularly even after just knowing me and conversing for a few hours. I'm not just some young ignorant kid who was spoiled by mommy and daddy. I am blessed and gifted indivdual that went out and worked his *** off to get where I am today at the tender age of 22, and I can say that proudly and without guilt.

And to repeat, since I don't ANYONE has gotten it yet...I am not saying Ford, or the F150 is PERFECT, but I am saying that it is the BEST truck out there. And apparently America agrees or it wouldn't be the number one selling vehicle for 29 years straight. If it was reallt such a horrible vehicle, how come people keep buying it and buying it and buying it... oh wait, the must all be naive!

 

Dude you are the biggest *** on this board.....and thats a fact...
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