With all due respect I have to disagree for the simple reason that Michael is not your ordinary person simply getting accused. Rather if he thinks it is right or wrong Michael basically admitted he is in some forum a pedophile because he has admitted on TV he has little boys sleep over and sleep in his bed.

I am sorry but for about anyone else, black, white, regardless of skin color, if any of us had simply muttered those words ”I like to have little boys or girls sleep over and sleep in my bed” we would most likely find ourselves locked up somewhere.

 

Jury said there wasn't enought evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. I think many of them believe Michael should be locked up but the Prosecutor didn't present the "smoking gun" the jury needed to lock him up. Listen to what the jury said during the press conference. None of them said he's innocent. It amazes me how people tend to equate not guilty in a court of law with innocence.

 

Can someone email me and tell me how to start my own thread. I am trying to find a wiring diagram.

Thanks

 

AMEN!!


'nuff said.

 

Get a grip man, they never found any evidence of Blake or Shatner. However "Michelle" has gone out millions to shut his victims up. I mean what is this, "Children For Sale"

I think you told us who the racist is. I bet you really do think OJ was innocent (as if). As for today, yes the system is DEFINATELY broke.

He is a child molestar and a predator and should do life.

 

While I don't think it has anything to do with race, and I am sure he had kids sleeping in his bed, I am not sure it constitutes molestation. Wierd, improper, yes, but not illegal. My daughter has fallen asleep in the same bed with my mom or dad, I didn't sue them. And yes, Michael is not your average person so it's a bit tough to expect him to behave as such. I wouldn't leave my kid hang around with him, and not because of the accusations, if they never existed I still wouldn't.

 

For the average guy, there is little chance of walking away from a situation of this sort without some jail time behind him. An average Joe, with an impeccable reputation, would be hard pressed to survive a false accusation of child molestation, even without a reputation for sleeping with children. I don't think they had a good case against Michael; but, it probably would have been good enough to convict me.


I can't believe you are comparing a child's grandparents to MJ. Not even close to the same thing. The parents of these children should have been under investigation right along side MJ. If there is anything going on that is improper, the 'Conspiracy' MJ was acquitted of goes a lot farther than his 'people'.

 

I wasn't really comparing grandparents to MJ, but intent is intent. Again, I wasn't there and neither was anyone else, but no one was able to prove his intent or actions added up to anything illegal, that's the fact I have to work with. And you are right, after being accused, there are those that will assume your guilt (as proven by some responses in this thread), that doesn't mean you are guilty.

 

I'll tell you why I said what I said, the way I said it...

I said it because you don't hear this kind of BS going back & forth until it's a black celebrity on trial.. Granted, stars don't get much bigger than Michael- but to me, in a system that honors what America stands for, we seem awfully quick to saddle a person as guilty- when we are supposed to believe and hold up the ideal of "innocent until proven guilty". If you really believe that, then how can you be mad at the verdict?

What makes what your stance(s) on this, having been exposed to some of the facts; more reliable than what the jurors believed (12 jurors by the way) that were directly exposed to all of the facts, all of the testimony, all of the body language, jestures, demeanor, and arguments? When you think about it, you'll realize that you have no grounds to claim that you "know" this man is guilty; you know exactly *****. And please, take no offense because I say the word black or white- I'm not racist, nor do I look for a racial conspiracy under every stone; but- as you all know- I will call 'em like I see 'em. That's all I can do.

It is because of the attitudes, words, tones & expression of the people that called the show, that I believe many of the callers to Sean Hannidy's show (Who are the only people I mentioned) are probably racist... And, not to be paranoid- but, a man doesn't have say the "N" word- or any other racial slur to or around me, for me to realize he/she is racist.
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As for OJ- He made himself look guilty with the low-speed chase, all the while saying he didn't deserve to live after what he'd done... (Damn OJ, what did you do man?) I thought he was guilty- but what pissed me off is the fact that there seemed to be no investigation into the possibility that maybe- someone else was involved. Nevertheless, in trying to frame a (possibly) guilty man- he was able to roll off- why; because the case wasn't proven beyond the shadow of doubt...

The thing that stomps me is; OJ or not, he's not Superman. How could one man, kill two able-bodied adults; having stabbed one 37 times? What- did Ron stand there and wait his turn? He was either held there by someone else, or killed by someone else, in my unprofessional opinion.

It would be darn-near impossible for one man to be so swift, and so deadly- with a knife. If OJ did it, he had help.

Deep down, I think OJ may have known who killed them; but I don' t think he did both murders himself.
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And finally- we're thinking small, like broke folks. Did paying the first family make Michael look guilty? Yes. Does it make him guilty? No. It's no more than having a company "settle out of court" rather than have their name dragged through the mud. Back then, $20,000,000 for MJ, was like you or I spending $100.00 at circuit city. If this $100 will make this all go away, fock it- sign here, and be gone...

People make deals because in that courtroom, you never know what might happen- it all depends on who has the slickest lawyer. And, it is THERE, that the system is broke.. But, how can we fix that?

The question we should ask ourselves is, how many innocent men/women- took a plea of a lesser crime and do 5 years in jail; rather than fight to prove innocence, and risk 20 if they lose... Mike gave away $20 mil, but- had he lost- he could have easily been out of $100 mill in "damages"...

If it wasn't about the money, the family would not have accepted the $20,000,000.00 to go away.

It's easy to sit out here and say- "I'd never plea to something I didn't do"; or "I'd never pay someone off"- But, when you start getting visions of Bubba, Tyrone and Billy Ray, having their way with you in prison, because your lawyer may lose your case- but you have the power to plea out, or buy your way out- you may look at things differently... Unfortunately; being as big as Michael is; paying off once, only opens the door for more and more, and more BS to come your way... Now this man; who has donated more $ to charities than any celebrity- is now ridiculed and will never be the man he was, due to the media and his choices...

 

Well I got to say I wasn't surprised by the verdict. I think MJ is a nut and probably has committed the acts he was charged with in the past. But the defense tore the prosecution's case apart.

Not guilty doesn't mean innocent it means not guilty beyond a resasonable doubt.

The system didn't fail the prosecution did. In the OJ case the system didn't fail the jury did. The system works but it relies on people who are fallible. People can be swayed by many things beyond cold hard facts including a celebrity. Sometimes a jury will acquit a woman of murder when she shot her husband even though they've got her dead to rights with evidence. Why? Because given the situation the people could see themselves doing it too. Mercy just like celebrities can sway a jury. That isn't a bad thing.

Our system isn't perfect...imperfect people created and run it but it is the best system out there.

I'd rather 3 criminals walk due to reasonable doubt rather than have 1 innocent jailed because of a over-zealous prosecutor.

 

Do you think it's even possible for a black person to be racist in the United States? Some people don't. I don't think a man is racist just because he brings his color into a discussion of something unrelated. Insecurity and paranoia are just as likely culprits. Someone of Michael Jackson's level of fame transcends race for 99% of people. This is about a fallen hero. A betrayal by a universally loved man.

You don't hear this type of stuff from celebrities period. Black or white. Robert Blake is no OJ or MJ. Most people wouldn't have known who he was without reminding them of Baretta, before his run in with the law. He would have gotten more attention, even so, if not for the MJ Drama and the Lacy Peterson case, in which a non-celebrity white man was made a national target of ridicule and hate before he was even arraigned. That man was guilty from coast to coast before there was any evidence against him.




I can live with that.




I think the way you see 'em, may be the problem. If I were predisposed to see things a certain way, I would assume that you were a racist. I am not and I do not. There are other reasons for applying racism to people who do not agree with you.



I listen to Sean Hannity, on occasion. I caught some of the show yesterday. The calls I heard did not strike me as anything but ignorant at worst, and frustrated because of the limited information they had to work with in drawing their conclusions. Not everyone is capable of withholding their opinion just because it is uninformed.




Think about that one a little. There are millions of parents in this world that would pimp their children for much less than $20 Million. Sad but true.




True enough. If MJ truly is innocent of the things I and others suspect him of, he's in a living hell. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost. A lot of this he has brought down on his own head.

 

While Michael may not be guilty he is NOT innocent either and I hope the sick fluck gets what’s coming to him. He is a child molesting sick basturd, he had admitted to sleeping with little boys and that is enough, in my book, to gladly see someone take care of his *** and permanently insure the sick basturd never has another opportunity to EVER sleep with little boys again.

I don’t give a damn what color he is, any child molester, like Michael is sick and deserves the worst punishment any man can think of. I would hang him or drag him around from the back of my truck like any other child molester. I would be an equal opportunity molester truck dragging ****, just pass the law baby…

The reason you don’t see Michael with women is because he don’t like women. He has a sick mind, he likes and loves only little boys. That’s ok I am sure he will find his *** in court in another few years anyway except I will feel even worse for the next little boy Michael plays “free little *****” with…

 

Now that right there is funny. I don't care who you are, that's some funny *****.

 

Let's clarify this - you can tell if someone is a racist by hearing one thing they say on a radio show, but if anyone of us thinks Michael Jackson is a child molestor we are 'rushing to judgement'?



You are about to answer your own question...

So you acknowledge the system is broke. Yet we are not allowed to be mad when we think the broke system allows a CHILD MOLESTOR to go free? "Innocent until proven guilty' is a nice phrase, but IMO it is shameful when it is used to protect a murderer or child molestor, as if the crime never existed because 12 people could not agree to convict.


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So you yourself were 'guilty' of thinking OJ was guilty because he acted guilty before he had his trial. What ever happened to your belief in innocent until proven guilty, and how come you can't cut us the same slack regarding Jackson?



Not to retry the OJ trial, but is it that hard for you to believe that an athlete with the element of surprise and a big knife could kill two unarmed people? Do you REALLY think the only way would be for Ron Goldman to stand there while OJ stabbed Nicole 37 times?

And again, you can rationalize your belief that OJ was involved and knows who killed his wife and Ron Goldman even after he was acquited, but you can call Sean Hannity and his listeners racist for thinking that Michael Jackson is a child molestor.


Double Standard much?

 

Michael Jackson, defendent in the latest Hollywood trial of the century has released a statement following the Jury's verdict: