I did a little evidence gathering on my way in to work today.

I was going to go strictly by the first 10 trucks I passed to get a ratio of regular cabs to extended and/or crew cab vehicles. Well, 10 trucks were passed so quickly that I decided to just count them until I got to work, and what ever number that ended up being, go from there. On my 6 mile journey, I passed 137 trucks.

112 extended cab or crew cabs, 25 regular cabs.

This was a sampling of all trucks, small (ranger), full (F-150) and Super (SD's). Just to get a general consensus; since I know of no way to accurately gather this information. This was all makes & models fitting into the classifications above.

When it was all said & done, the Extended/Crew cabs accounted for 81.7% of the trucks I saw- whereas the regular cabs accounted for 18.3%.

Of those 25 trucks, if I had to guesstimate, at least 7 of them were company/business vehicles, judging by the yellow lights on top, or the banner's on the sides.

I don't feel like digging back through here to see what ration I guesstimated earlier for regular cab sales; but with my little survey this morning, it seems to be greater than an 8:2 ratio on large cab sales as opposed to reguar cab sales.

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PS- I didn't see not one LIghtning on my way in.

Also: There were 137 trucks, but I bet in that same spae there were 300 SUV's. My goodness- I bet combined SUV sales have to be in neck & neck with truck sales, if not out front...

 

and within those trucks, I would hazard a guess that the crewcabs were loaded and the reg cabs were spartan.

which I think reinforces an earlier point you made on pricing and profits.

 

While i am not %100 sure, common sense (which dosent seem to count for much these days) tells me that they do sell some of these $14k trucks.

#1 With all the consumer groups and sue happy lawyers, they would be all over them if they could show no proof that a few had been sold.

#2 The dealer can make it up on; financing, add ons, extended warranties.

#3 Just as all retail stores do, they do it to get people into the dealership in hopes of selling them a higher priced vehicle. they could probably take a $2k lose on the truck but sell 5 (or more)vehicle off the people who came in to see it and look around.


let me ask one more time:

1/4 mile race. all vehicle totally stock and in similar cab configurations: who wins

2005,
4 door titan, 5.6 vs. 4 door hemi, 5.7 vs. supercrew ford, 5.4

i say titan, hemi close behind and the ford not so close behind.

my company (me) owns a supercrew 5.4 and a 4 door hemi so i have no personal thing with this.

 

I'd agree with those results.

But the way I see it, I'd like to see that race with the above mentioned vehicles, 5 years from now with 200,000 on the odometer.
Answer: Ford in first, Dodge in second because he doesn't want to screw-up his 3rd tranny and the Titan DNF because it's on a hoist.

 

Do I really have to prove it? Timeslips? Video of speedometer?

Not stock, thats for sure. No stock NA truck is doing that right now except for the SRT-10.

Anyhow, a race between an equally equipped F-150, Hemi and Titan would probably shock you. By equally equipped I mean, equal final drive ratios, cab model to cab model, biggest engine to biggest engine and same tire height all around.

Weight is not a factor because it cannot be changed essentially.

I'll tell you now, the 5 speed tranny and gear ratios of the HEMI and Titan are the ONLY thing that give it such a leap.

I raced both at the track (HEMI and Titan) when I was stock and they were stock. Note the gear ratios. Even with my 5 speed they had better final gearing due to the 5 speed tranny. But not much. Here is how it went down.

RC SB 2WD HEMI
3.55 diff 17" wheels 5 speed tranny
NO MODS
Base curb weight-4788lbs
Track weight-5038lbs w/ driver and gas
10.10@69.5mph 1/8ET...NO SPIN

Extended Cab TITAN, not double cab (no Reg Cab is offered)
2WD/3.36 gears/18" wheels/5 speed tranny
NO MODS
Base curb weight-5019lbs
Track weight-5250lbs w/ driver and gas
10.14@69mph 1/8ET....NO SPIN

04 RC SB F-150 (This is me)
3.73 gears/17" wheels/4 speed tranny
NO MODS
Base curb weight-4925lbs
Track weight- 5225lbs w/ driver and gas
9.95@70.5mph 1/8ET...NO SPIN

These runs were done in May of 2004 at the Emerald Coast Dragway in Holt, Florida in 85 degree weather and 100% humidity.

No BS here. Both are co-workers of mine and I see them everyday.

The Titan guy has YET to run again. The HEMI guy is now running a 9.70@73mph with exhaust, intake and spare removed.

Again, I am running a 9.10@76.2mph on a 2.03 60ft with a good bit of spin on my current mods.

It's all about the set-up.....NOT THE ENGINE. I already told you guys....you are not seeing the whole 300HP on the new 5.4L if you are stock tuning.

If you dont have a tuner, get one and see for yourself. Just with intake, tuner, exhaust, and underdrive pullies I have dropped nearly 1 second off my 1/8 mile time. Think about it.

 

I agree with this..
Even MT said the F-150's 300 horses felt like the gate was left open and 40 of the horses jumped off.

But, they also said the Titan's 305 felt equal to the Hemi's 345. In fact, they went on to say Nissan is probably conservatively estimating the Big T at 305- they estimated it at 350.

I can't debate the 1/8th mile times.. What happened in the 1/4?
I've read RTR's that had the Titan at 7.2 seconds in 0-60 (stock).

 

at the free dyno day i went to i saw 2 hemi's one was bone stock is threw down 206RWHP and then another one with intake and exhaust it threw down 212RWHP??? HP lies... cause that dyno was only off about about 15%

 

all i can add is that my bros 4 door hemi runs 9.7's 1/8 , 15.249 in the 1/4 , it has the big 20" tires and the 3.92 rear end., its weight was a little over 5000 with out me in it.

hellbound, sounds like you got a good one.

 

cia-agent,

Yep. The Titan did run a 7.2 0-60mph stock...as did I or even better.

Keep in mind the tranny ratios play a big part in acceleration. The Titan has a DEEP 1st gear tranny.

 

Brotherdave,

I have seen a few with the 3.92's pull into the 9's in the 1/8th. It makes a huge difference. The RPM difference between the 3.55's and 3.92's is roughly 375rpm I think. But, then you have the tire height.

The 17" tires are 30.5" tall while the 20's are about 33".

Even with 20's the 3.92 diff runs better than 3.55's and 17's.

Another HEMI I run at the track is running 32" even tires on 20's with 3.92 diff. He is a RC SB 2WD with programmer, exhaust resonator removed and IAT sensor. He is running a 9.10@76.9mph. He is borderline 13's in the 1/4 right along with me.

Overall, he is running faster than me with less mods. As he should. But, it shouldnt be that close, ya know.

Maybe I have a freak truck...who knows. But, I doubt it since other guys have the same truck as me with a few more mods and are running 13's.

Oh, BTW, Fatherford is faster than me without his NOS. I know his times, but he requests I not say. He races for money. Trust me though, you'd be impressed I think.

 

If that were true, they would be running in the low to mid 14's quarter mile. You really need to go to the track buddy. Jesus, some people will believe anything the car rags print, lol.

 

The answer is a HUGE NO…

ONLY Lightning’s can run 0 – 60 in under 6 seconds. It don’t matter if any other truck, be it Ford or not can run 0 – 60 in under 60 seconds if it is NOT stock.

Once anyone mods a vehicle their specifications, for example, 0 – 60 times don’t really matter in any conversation. ANYTHING can be made to be fast, even a Yugo if you dump enough money in to it…

The SRT-10 is a HUGE joke. It is EQUAL to a Lightning. Yes it has a higher top speed because Dodge did NOT have any intelligent people who could design a V-8 to come close to the Ford Lightning. Dodge simply dumped in a Viper motor into some kind of truck body which is NOT really a truck since it can NOT tow a got damn thing.

The Ford Lightning is still KING of muscle trucks. In the ¼ mile the vast majority of the time the SRT-10 will get its *** handed to it by a Lightning (stock vs. stock). I have personally ran two different SRT-10 and beat both of them by about 2/3's a truck length. Now that is a $33k truck vs. a $50k truck. One which can tow 5,000 lbs, and the other can not tow chit.

Dodge has been deprogramming the SRT-10’s that visit the dealers because Dodge wasn’t smart enough to design a transmission to handle the Viper motor in a tank that can’t tow. I believe the SRT-10 is good for 10 – 15 ¼ mile passes before you have to replace the clutch.

A normal Ford is a great truck, durable and has some nice power but they will never see 0 – 60 times in under 6 seconds and they will never see low 15’s or high 14’s in the ¼ mile stock. That is apples to apples. Put money in the motor and it’s a modified vehicle that can not be compared to anything. Anybody with the cash can do it…

 

I've made that arguement time after time on other boards. Like you said, if you put enough money into anything, you can make it fast. There's probably a riding lawnmower somewhere with faster 1/8th mile times than a stock P/U.

Stock it's what matters most. What the manufacturer made. Once you make mods, it's only a Ford in name. If I can't get one just like it at the dealership, then it don't mean chit.

A lot of people believe the hype about mods too. I just listen to folks. Yeah, the pulley kit gave me 20 horses, I bypassed my AC and that gave me another 10, the K&N gives me 15 horses, and my flow masters are good for 15-20 more. I got the throttle-body spacers and that's good for 10 and the headers gave me another 30- so, right now I'm pushing about 400 HP. When I ordered my truck, I had them put in the LIghtning tranny & gears- with my mods that allows me to get into the hig 12's, low 13's in the 1/4. I'm just as fast as a Lightning without a Supercharger...

What they don't realize is that you can't stack that stuff on top of each other and come up with a HP number. Some mods effect will be cancelled out by others. It's about how well all that stuff works together to know what you really have.

Simple fact. If it were that easy to squeeze out more HP with a tweak here & there, Ford, Dodge, Nissan would have done it first....

One of my Army pals back in the 5.0 Mustang heyday- kept yapping about how fast his Mustang was. "Most Mustangs have 3.23's, I got 3.73's in mine, yadda-yadda-yadda." Now, his was fast, but- so was every other 5.0L Mustang GT, LX and LX-Sport.

He kept it up, so I wrote Ford in Dearborn, MI. They wrote me back saying the Mustang could not be had with 3.73's and they said there was no 1990 1/2 version of the LX with 30 more HP than the "regular" LX's.

People feel compelled to lie about a lot of stuff- so yes, I put my belief in the magazine- what's their reason for lying??

If their results were BS, they'd be getting sued left & right, and the rival mag's performance numbers wouldn't be so similiar.

 

Okay CIA take a deep breath. You may just have to let this thread die off like it should have some time ago. Relax on this one bro there will be many many more. You have stated and restated your position but sometimes you just cannot get through to some folks out there. I got your back if need be, but bro "let it go". I'll get D to give ya a reah around if you do that will relax you i believe. Bruedude told me "D" is good.

 

If there are any reach-arounds being handed out around here, I'll be giving them, not receiving them! Not even from D.



Honestly though, my last post really has little to do wih the Titan/F-150 thingy. There are Camaro & Mustang guys at work that just lie day in & day out about how fast their cars are; how they smoked a Corvette and all...

You're right- though- time to let this one die...