Europe doesnt have beliefs? What beliefs does the US have? In god we trust and all that nonsense?

Knowledge??? And what knowledge do you have exactly??? Even more importantly what knowledge does Bush have??

Courage? The US doesnt have courage, the Us uses its brute force to bully other nations to get what it wants regardless of those who suffer or the laws they break. Bush is just scaremonger ****. And thats why most of the world dislikes America in this current climate..........

Your foreign policy is predicated on the misapprehension that the rest of the world should share the same political and economic values. Almost every positive act of foreign intervention, one can highlight when its adventures have had less than benign consequences. The way they bully other countries, undermine authority of the UN and constantly violate international law is appalling.

America embodies the misuse of power. It is the responsible for Middle-East conflict, the war on Iraq and the US unjust policies in the Arab and Islamic world. 100,000 civilians killed by air strikes in Iraq. Years of US sponsored Israeli murder in Palestine which has succeeded in creating hatred and wrath among the Arab masses. Is it any wonder these people fight back? Who the hell is 'the West' to adopt the moral high ground?

You want 'Freedom Fries' with that?

 

 

nam69,

Actually if you want someone to blame for the current Iraq war you need look no further then your own door step which is Europe…

How you might ask, well first of all had France and Germany actually followed the sanctions placed on Iraq and NOT taken bribes from Saddam in the food for oil program then perhaps Saddam would have had no choice but to follow through with his agreements.

Since Europe, France specifically, guaranteed Saddam they would block any actions by the United Nations and specifically America, Saddam went on and was not in compliance with the sanctions and thus America had NO other choice but to fulfill its obligations and force Iraq to follow the agreements Iraq made or face military actions.

We know what happen and the former Iraq government that was paying off the weak and coward European nations is no longer in power and now Europe is pissed off for a few reason’s…

First they may never get that really cheap and free oil anymore. Second they have one less customer for selling chemical and biological information and supplies too and third they look like complete morons to the rest of the world.

You see, unlike America, in Europe Iraq was ALL about the oil and money. France and Germany were greedy socialist nations hungry for the oil and money and it clouded their judgment which isn’t all that hard to do since the vast majority of times Europe is on the wrong side of issues.

Europe was weak before the Iraq war and now with the evidence of their involvement of helping to keep Saddam in power and taking huge payoffs they had made themselves not only weaker but have lost a lot of creditability with the world powers, in other words Europe can NOT be trusted.

In any regards America will continue to see that our weak neighbors in Europe will remain free for the time being. Europe will never have the capabilities to secure their own freedoms and will have to continue to rely on America’s great power and values to protect them from harm…


Sleep well my friend because you have America’s blanket of security to keep you warm…

 

Your head is so far up your own ***.

The bush administration is solely responsible for the war in Iraq.

Weak, coward european nations? LOL

And you think that the US government is not after the oil but europe was??? Your government couldnt give a toss about your troops that are dead, there viewed as expendable assets, however your ignorant, arrogant and narrow minded.

I dont know where the hell your getting your news but your gravely mistaken. You gotta be making this up as you go along bud.

 

I am not sure if your loudist or loudist’s mini-me…


Anyway you can tell you’re a die hard socialist liberal by your lack or any morality and inability to accept reality and the truth by your statement ” The bush administration is solely responsible for the war in Iraq”…

Yep, little ol’ Iraq was just minding their own business and not doing anything wrong whatsoever and Europe wasn’t doing anything wrong by accepting bribes and oil in return for protecting a mass murderer.

As you can see once again Europe does not learn from its own past. Remember Hitler and Germany and Europe thought they could “just get along” and every thing would be just fine? Well it didn’t work out did it and had the United States of America not got involved most if not all of Europe would not be the socialist countries they are today they would have been communist countries…

You further prove you have absolutely no brain whatsoever with your cowardly statement of ” Your government couldnt give a toss about your troops that are dead, there viewed as expendable assets”

Our government which is the people of the United States DOES INDEED care about are troops that are killed HOWEVER we in America realize that freedom is not free and it has a price tag and usually that price tag is the blood of our own troops.

We paid a VERY HEAVY price with our troop’s blood protecting Europe and giving them the freedom they whine about today.

Be very careful what you wish for and what you say because that type of cowardly European attitude you have very well could lead to you losing your freedom if the United States was to rethink its position of losing troops to further protect nations that do not wish for the blanket of security we continue to provide since they do not have the courage and morality to provide that freedom themselves…

I am neither ignorant, arrogant and narrow minded I am simply giving you the facts and truth and since they are just that it must hit a nerve deep inside the souls of many Europeans and rather then face the truth they revert to name calling and fantasy facts…

That’s a good little socialist liberal…

 

69 gets his news from BBC.

 

While you are correct that many things are black and white, simply calling them that and exacting a punishment never really solves anything. This is the problem with the right. A homeless, hungry person stealing is wrong, but if you never address the root of the problem, it will always exist. The right, as you display, likes to over-simplify things. You steal, you pay a penalty. Simple, right? WRONG! When that person is still starving, they will steal again. You have a problem and have done nothing to solve it. I realize things that don't fall into a black and white area confuse righties, but it doesn't make them go away.

 

Yes, you are correct, the “right” is making this particular example you give very simple because it is simple…

A homeless person steals food because they are hungry and that is wrong and they should pay a price. You address the root of the problem by simple providing them with work to EARN their food.

Now, for the problem, the left “feels” that this approach, the approach to teach someone to be self sufficient is wrong and evil. The left “feels” that we, who actually work, should give some of our money to the homeless so they can eat, that we, who actually work, should try to understand why the homeless is homeless to begin with.

Well, its simple, the homeless are homeless because that is the choice that made all on their own. Sure there is a small percentage, maybe 5% who really are homeless and not by choice but we have to address the larger problem first, the 95% of those who made the choice to be homeless.

There have been programs instituted, or at least tried to be instituted to help make the homeless more self sufficient or to at least earn their keep in the homeless shelters. A few years back in California a gentleman “invested” some of his money into a homeless center and in order for him to continue running it he needed additional funds. Rather then asking the tax payers to fund it he asked for personal donations and REQUIRED the homeless to get off their *** and work for somewhere like 5 hours or so a day selling candy and other things.

Guess what? The liberals shut him down within days because they said it was CRUEL to force someone to earn their keep…

The issues are simple, the solutions are simple, the only difficult thing is the vast majority of the time liberals don’t really care about anyone being self sufficient because when people are self sufficient there is NO need for a liberal…


Simple solutions for everyday problems…

 

Well, there is your example of the extreme left, not all liberals feel as you have stated, but some extremists do. The extreme right feels as though it is simple, you steal, you pay a price, end of story. That's also a poor solution, Smarter people would realize there is a larger problem and jobs need to exist so these people can provide for themselves. For you to say that all liberals feel that the rich or those of us that have jobs, should provide for them is incorrect. I know plenty of liberals, none of them feel this way, but then again, I don't see my personality lending itself to associating with an extreme liberal. It is important for me to understand them though, to simply ignore them won't help me or our country. While I am all for the death penalty, I need to realize it isn't much of a deterant, the reason why people commit such haneous crimes needs to be addressed.

Here's a small example, a microcosm from my own experience. As you know, I have a sister with cereberal palsy. She is turning 35 this month, fairly functional and lives with my parents. My mother, is the ultimate caretaker. She is extremely **** and loves to take care of everything for people to the nth degree. Enter my sister with limited capabilities, but far from helpless. I've spent the last month dealing with my sister in and out of hospitals for headaches and stomach aches coupled with no appetite. There is NOTHING physically wrong with her, it is all nerves. My sister has come to the point, after investigating several group homes and assisted living arrangements, that she prefers to be taken care of. I think this is a struggle for her. At home, she doesn't make her own bed because the job is never good enough for my mother. She doesn't even take her own plate to the sink after eating because my mother prefers to do it. Now when my sister stays with me, she does all of these things, and is pretty damned proud that she has. At this point, she will admit that she does not want to leave my mothers house because she enjoys the caretaking! Enough background, on to the point. I COULD tell my sister that she is just being lazy and should get off her a$$ and do what she can for herself. It would be 100% correct as she is capable of a lot. The problem is, she is NOT 100% at fault, and the root of the problem needs to be addressed. (Just as an aside, I AM addressing it, risking my relationship with my mother, but I do feel I need to do what's best for my sister).

So, what do you think? My sister IS being lazy, but is it worth addressing without addressing the cause of the problem? Is my sister 100% to blame? (And no, I won't take your answer personally)

 

You have provided a great example of what I am talking about. Let me try to address this as compassionate as I can without it being taken personal.

No, I don’t necessarily believe your sister is being lazy and the reason I believe this is because she is not “allowed” to do for herself. You had stated that when she is at your mothers she can not make the bed to your mother’s satisfaction or clean her own dishes, I would suspect to your mothers satisfaction.

You mother sounds like a wonderful person and a great mother wanting to take care of her children, or in this case her daughter that she feels is more disabled then she really is. This is a twofold problem, first a mother trying to, or at least thinking she is doing her best and taken responsibility for her child and seeing to her needs. Second, it sounds like your mother shares many qualities of my own mother which is a type of perfectionist. If we couldn’t measure up to her standards of doing things she did it herself. God forbid if a picture wasn’t hanging perfectly straight or a towel was not folding perfectly.

Now, you on the other hand, in this situation, sound more like a compassionate conservative. You feel, based on evidence, that your sister is quite capable of doing many more things on her own. She may not do them perfect or correctly all the time but who is to judge that? If she is not allowed to make mistakes how will she ever learn the “correct” way of doing things?

You have allowed her to do it on her own with little or no help, and though it may not be perfect, to some people’s standards, she is able to do it and as you have witnessed is very proud of the fact she was able to do it on her own.

Of course she will prefer to stay with your mother because it’s a choice. She has a choice of being taken care of, at the risk of losing some pride in that process, or the choice of trying to do it on her own which will be harder, chances of mistakes and getting things wrong but being proud of the fact she can do it, or most of it with much less help then now.

In your case, and as I have stated before in other post, your sister is in a different category then those I would call useless and lazy. Your sister does have a medical condition and is the type of person I do NOT mind having some of my tax money help. When I talk about the useless and lazy it refers to the vast majority of people receiving some kind of aid when if they really wanted to they could do it on their own.

There will always be times when even the most capable will need assistance with something, food, heating, shelter etc. and I understand that I do not have an issue helping someone in need for what ever reason. I just strongly object to helping those that could help themselves but refuse to do so on a long term period for months or years.

I would argue that when most, not all, but when most people have a choice of having to do it on their own or have someone else do it for them they will choose the lazy way out and have someone else do it for them.

Parents, for the most part, will many times hinder their children’s self dependence. They don’t do it to be mean, they don’t do it because they think their children are to stupid to do it on their own it is just that parent instinct to “always” watch out for their children.

Nothing wrong with your mothers love for your sister and nothing wrong with your sisters choice because she has that choice of being taken care of but you might try to convince your mother that the more she allows you sister to do on her own the richer your sisters life will be with pride of doing it on her own.


It is always nice to help people out when they need it and I have done that. However, even though it feels good, it is many times more destructive to help people out that don’t really need it to begin with…

 

Thanks for the words, and I am not offended, while it is personal, sometimes personal experiences are better suited to discussion than "the guy that steals to feed his family"! The only issue with my sister's situation is that my parents will not always be there for my sister, that would leave me. Of course, I will take her in, but I really don't want to take care of someone when I am in my sixties, it's why I am not having children with my new wife (yes, I was dumb enough to get married AGAIN! ). I hope that doesn't sound cold, because that's not how it is, but my mother, by her actions, is leaving me with that responsability. It's nearly impossible to get a 64 year old to change their ways. I guess my point was, it seems cut and dry, my sister is being lazy, and while she has limited mental capability, she is smart enough to realize she is taking advantage of her situation, but she is also a product of her emvironment. The situation is not that simple, there are other issues that need addressing!

 

You know, I'm proud to be in the military PROTECTING AMERICA and ITS CITIZENS but there are some people that I would prefer not to protect. If you don't get the hint then you shouldn't be living in America. The reason Osama attacked us was because we left him on his own to survive after we protected him and Afghanistan from what was the Soviet Union. If we do that with Iraq, there will be more like him.

 

Burt.... You flip-flopper! You already proudly proclaimed yourself a right-wing extremist. Your not changing your story now are ya?


flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop

 

Ahhh… I hate the smell of anti-Semitism in the morning…it smells like hypocritical European blind hate. Shouldn't you be listening to some sort of skinhead hate rock and drawing swastikas on yourself right about now? Your posts continually betray the fact that you seem to have a problem with Jews, specifically the Israelis. So its only murder by the Israelis when they at least TRY and strike a "military" target, but the scumbag Palestinian terrorist strapped with bombs that blows up a bus full of civilians is some sort of justified hero of the people? Anyone else ever notice that the hatred in the Arab masses is everywhere in the world that Arabs or Muslims have to interface with people of other faiths? They hate Jews, they hate Christians, they hate Hindus, they hate Buddhists... Maybe the Palestinians are just another extension of an intolerant hateful people who use their religion as an excuse to fight with anyone they can.

 

lmao... XLT, could you add the following disclaimer to your signature?

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