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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 11:56 AM
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For all those wondering why George W. Bush won, here it is:

He has a moral compass and a backbone. His opponent lacked both.
If your looking for morals, go talk to your priest. IMO, in that your morals, and the rest of the country's morals may verywell not be the same, keep your morals out of 'my' whitehouse.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by STX/98
If your looking for morals, go talk to your priest. IMO, in that your morals, and the rest of the country's morals may verywell not be the same, keep your morals out of 'my' whitehouse.
????????? My morals aren't in the Whitehouse. I cast my vote based on who I thought had the better moral compass. I would wager you did the same if you voted. After all, liberals have been accusing Bush of being a liar for months. Sound like a judgement on perceived morality to me. Do you also want those liberals to keep their morals out of "your" Whitehouse. If so, you got your wish!
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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What a sorry state of affairs to U.S. is in right now. I am sickened to say the least. Another 4 years of ****.

As some of you who care to read about foreign affairs may know that during the next month Falluja will be facing a massive assault by the U.S. forces. As a result U.S. marines from the area called the triangle of death (south west of bagdad) have been redeployed. This left a vaccum and as a result the U.S. have requested that we Brits temporarily occupy the area until the assault is over.

Why the hell can the U.S. send more troops over there??? I believe the current forces in iraq are 1/5 or say 2/5 of the US army? Surely they can spare another 5000 from the homeland.

No instead the British forces are now there, 2 have died in the last 24hrs and 5 dead in the last 3 hours, 8 seriously injured.

The question you guys have to ask yourself is why ???

Isnt exactly hard to work out unless your blind that is, but i suppose if you voted for Bush you are, or just plain ignorant. If the Bush administration planned to send any more troops over there 2 weeks before the election Id suspect a hell of a lot of people wouldnt vote for him who were already planning to do so, including those related to armed forces personal.

Id like to send my condolences to the familes of those who have lost loved ones in the Black Watch, they were planned to come home for Christmas before mopping up Bushes dirty work, now some of them will never come home.

What I find even more hard to understand is the no. of dead US service men and women, this is bushes war, these are your people, what for??? Please dont tell me for democracy or to keep the peace for the U.S.

NO COUNTRY is a threat to the U.S., well i suppose only those who the US havent armed in the first place.

What it isnt right for me a Brit to tell you who to vote for???

Well its not nice is it being told what to do is it, hey isnt that what is going on in Iraq right now....

Oil for blood. And at the end of it I dont see US or Uk oil prices going down...
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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Politics have no relation to morals.
Niccolo Machiavelli
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:08 PM
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Respectfully, maybe its time that our British friends that are unhappy with the situation take it up with their own government instead of raging against ours.
I don't see why it’s improper to ask one's allies in a coalition to occupy a position so the US troops from that position may be used in another dangerous action. Its not like they said "please come stand in front of me while I scratch my butt so I won't get shot." Those British soldiers who lot their lives knew what they were getting into when they signed up, and their sacrifice is acknowledged and appreciated by this American at least. I have a brother in the military and when its his turn to go I won’t like it but he knew what he was getting into and he did it willingly and he’ll do his duty, just like all the troops over there be they American, British , Polish, Italian or Japanese, etc…. Don't like your troops being in harm's way, deal with the British government and we'll deal with our government. It's not like US troops haven’t been dying and in harm's way over there. We do have other military commitments around the world, such as S. Korea, and Afghanistan that keep a good portion of our military occupied in addition to the troops in Iraq. Allies are there to help and we asked for help, what’s wrong with that? Was it improper to ask American forces to storm two beaches on d-day as opposed to one British beach? No, we had the numbers to do it and it was in the best interest of the war effort. I'm glad to see that you think that anyone who supports Bush is ignorant; maybe we as US citizens have other things to think about than Iraq, ever consider that? I again urge people from other countries to not ask Americans to vote based on what you believe to be the best interests of your country and maybe not ours. There might have been other factors in the voter’s minds than just Iraq. You may be able to base your overall opinion of Bush on the war in Iraq but many Americans had a lot more at stake that you don’t have to worry about with just looking at the Iraq issue in a vacuum. War for oil, give me a break, I'm sick of hearing that. That's just a slogan for the ignorant. Jump off the Bush conspiracy theory bandwagon, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by three_green
????????? My morals aren't in the Whitehouse. I cast my vote based on who I thought had the better moral compass. I would wager you did the same if you voted. After all, liberals have been accusing Bush of being a liar for months. Sound like a judgement on perceived morality to me. Do you also want those liberals to keep their morals out of "your" Whitehouse. If so, you got your wish!
I personally do not believe that religious morals are the proper 'litmus test' to use when forming policies to govern a nation that includes many religions and many cultures aswell as varying opinions among those same religions and cultures in our country, and have enjoyed about enough of this ultra religious right-wing attempting to shove their morals, ideals, and opinions down the rest of the country's throat with little or no respect for the rest of the country's opinion that in many cases (even among the same religion) often varies greatly. In this particular case, I am a Christian, and have spent many years in a methodist church, as Debuya attends. I would not emagine that my morals and George Bush's morals are that terribly far apart. Regardless, there should be a seperation between church and state, period. With that said, I would agree that I would want a candidate 'with' morals in the white house. However when a candidate runs on the premise of his morals to the degree the George Bush has, I would at the very least be concerned to what degree those same morals will effect the policies this president governs our country by, and how far he will go with his religious beliefs in forming those policies. I'd much rather have a president that forms policies on what's best for all Americans, not just those that share the same morals and religious beliefs as the president.
 

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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:17 PM
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While no country is a threat to the Untied States, there are people who who want to destroy it and our way of life. We are not fighting a country in this war, which is why victory will never be achieved. There is no one to sign any peace treaty even if we win battle after battle. But there is a real threat now to our security, and the voters know it.

It would be nice if we could go to war and have no one wounded or killed. The military exisits to protect our national security, and thats what we are doing in Iraq. Deaths are part of war. I admire the all our milatary personel serving for the risks they are taking on my behalf.

I for one have not forgotton 911. I was at ground zero for the cleanup removing debris and body parts. Maybe if this happened alittle closer to home, maybe London, you might feel different.

Please don't call me blind or ignorant because I voted for Bush. I felt he was the better candidate to handle this war. I don't belittle people who voted for Kerry, obviously they felt he was better to handle the war.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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"I for one have not forgotton 911. I was at ground zero for the cleanup removing debris and body parts. Maybe if this happened alittle closer to home, maybe London, you might feel different."

We have had terrorism from Ireland for the past 30 years, its nothing new over here.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by STX/98
I Regardless, there should be a seperation between church and state, period. With that said, I would agree that I would want a candidate 'with' morals in the white house. However when a candidate runs on the premise of his morals to the degree the George Bush has, I would at the very least be concerned to what degree those same morals will effect the policies this president governs our country by, and how far he will go with his religious beliefs in forming those policies.
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I disagree...

This country was founded under the church- you remember the whole "One Nation under God" thingy, right?

I think the fact that we are so diligent in our effort to seperate church and state that we are undermining our very eixistence- in our effort not to offend. If you are offended, too bad. You're American- you live in this land, under God's graces. If you aethiest, simply tune us out. I don't think legislation should be put in place to appease non-believers, so they can sleep safely under the umbrealla of freedom and democracy our forefathers, and soldiers have provided.

We still had PUBLIC Prayer before EVERY football game from 1982- 1986, and I'm proud to say that when I went home last year for homecoming, they prayed then too.

Times change, but standards MUST remain.

If you think America prays too much, go to Saudi Arabia. They stop everything, several times a day to pray. It's blasted over loud speakers across the cities. Something like 15 minutes every hour or so.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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This country was founded under the church- you remember the whole "One Nation under God" thingy, right?
Your assuming that all people that believe in god share the exact same morals and religious beliefs, which is clearly not the case. Again, I'd much rather have a president that forms policies based on what's best for all Americans, not just those that share the exact same morals and religious beliefs as the president, and that forms those policies based on what is best for our country instead of his religion. As an American, I have as much of a right to live in this country without public policies impeding my beliefs and way of life as long as my beliefs and way of life do not impede on you regardless if we share the same religious beliefs and morals or not.
 

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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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I hate to break it to you but god doesnt exist. Fact.

1 point bill hicks said, why arent Dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:45 PM
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1 point bill hicks said, why arent Dinosaurs mentioned in the bible
They are. They're just not called "dinosaurs"
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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Really? where exactly?
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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I will look it up and give you the exact scripture later. But something tells me you will just try to give me another excuse later. I hope not though.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 04:31 PM
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your not going to find the word dinosaurs mentioned in the bible. The bible states on the 6th day BOTH man and animal were created. No specific mention to dinosaurs but you can assume it was meant to include everything. The closest reference would be in Job 40:15

"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."

The problem comes in when you discuss the timeline. Bible only wanting to account for a few thousand years of existance and science talking about many millions. Its something that will never be proven conclusively one way or the other so the point is moot.

While i do not believe in any religion, i would not begin to make a statement such as "god doesnt exist, fact". That is something that can never be proven and can never be a true fact. With all the science and measurements and guages in the world all they have is theory, beliefand faith. It kinda sounds like religion huh?
 
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