Wow, this has gotten out of hand.

If I state "I hate broccoli," and you replace "broccoli" with "n*gger" then am I, too, a member of the KKK?

This is getting really lame.

Accusing someone of beeing a member of the KKK based on such a notion is absurd, and really has no place on a fine board such as this.

Let's keep things in perspective, mmmkay?

Guess what: everyone has an opinion, let's try to keep everything above-board.

 

No, I just like Burt, I think he's a good guy from what I have observed on here with strong beliefs. You on the other hand are a tool and an a$$hole. Go watch Farenheit 9/11 and **********. By the way, I get offeneded by KKK remarks b/c I have had the "privledge" to have to spend some time around some KKK wanna be's and they are pretty low. After 9/11 I made a promise to myself that I was going to try and look at things and people in a different way. I could care less what color anyone is as long as your my countryman you're ok with me. You strike me as an intolerant jerkoff yourself, you must always be right, we're just do dumb to realize it. I'm done with you, you are not worth my time.

 

Don't break a heel as you stomp away in a huff.
Tool? Thats 'open line friday' Burt.
Since you want to get personal, will you catch when I watch 911?

 

 

Guys, come on! Every one in here at least cares about their country, we may have different ideas about what is best for it, but we are shooting for the same goal. It's too easy to lose sight of that. I wish there were more acceptance of others idea's, or at least we would not be condescending towards an opposing idea, but we are far from the only group that does it. At the end of the day, no matter who is elected, this time, next time and forever, guys like us will go to work every day like we do now, we'll have good times and bad times, and even though we think it's the best, we will never feel our country is perfect YET, but we'll keep working on it.

 

Are we safer than when? Then before 9-11? I feel safer knowing that finally, after years of complacency, attention is being payed to what the terrorists are doing. How do you think the aftermath of 9-11 should have been handled? Would your method make us "safer"?

I wouldn' think the terrorist ratio has changed all that much. In fact if nothing had been done following 9-11, I think that terrorists would have seen us as easy targets. You might not see the benefit but terrorists are carrying out there extremism in a country other than ours. I'd rather see it that way than in any event even remotely similar to the events of 9-11.

Did Saddam have to be involved in US terrorism to be a terrorist? You don't think that the things he's done to people in the countries sorrounding Iraq, and to his own people would be considered terrorism? Should we have waited untill he did have something to do with US terrorism before he was considered a threat? Terrorism isn't a person. To fight terrorism it will be necessary to effect many people who's extremist violent plots target people who aren't even aware they are the enemy.

To fight terrorism it is necessary to spend money. It's good to have a plan of how the money will be spent, however when you fightning an enemy that has no intention of following preset rules then it may be necessary to revise plans. I guess some people don't think that our government and millitary should be flexible. I do.

Look at previous conflicts the US has been involved in. Were they resolved in a couple years. It's seems that people choose not to look at history as a gauge of what to expect now. I believe that Iraqui oil should first help the Iraqui economy, don't you? When Iraq becomes a civilized nation then we will see benefits, not only from oil but from the people. When the Iraqui people are free, really free, they will be able to be players in the global market. They will be able to support themselves. They will pay us back by being a part of the global economy.

It's quite obvious that we can look at the same picture and see something totally different. I choose to look at the events of today as building a better, safer future, not just for us but for people around the world. Change is tough. Change requires alot of effort, by many different parties. History shows that a change is a process, that will not happen on a schedule. The change that is being fought for is positive change, I think .

 

bigtruck311
Are we any safer? YES
Terrorist ratio, better or worse? BETTER
Saddam had to do with US terrorism how? BY TURNING A BLIND EYE TO WHAT WAS GOING ON IN COUNTRY
Iraquis are showing their gratitude how? BY COMING UP TO ME IN HORDES TO THANK ME FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE
87 Billion is being spent on what? TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE FOR YOU ME AND THE REST OF THE FREE WORLD
Iraqui oil has helped our economy how? WE ARE USING THAT MONEY TO REBUILD IRAQ
Follow the money, it answers all.

You have to believe our losses were for something meaningful...
its part of the motivational indoctrination psychology.
Been there done that, still get night sweats sometimes, but they don't have my mind anymore.
This war sucks, we aren't herioic as a nation being there, although there is probably individual heroism on an hourly basis.
The troops do not suck.
The underlying reason we are there sucks, and it wasn't because Saddam is a bad guy.
Follow the money.

LOUDIST, by using your own words follow the money, alot of the terrorist cells recieved training weopons money from iraq and the terrorist cells operating in iraq, by iliminating the funding that was coming out of iraq from politictions, extremists, and the other rich factions that are anti western we stoped alot of terrorists from being funded and trained and this is from first hand info that i have seen with my own eyes not something i read in a newspaper or saw on the news wich is always opinionated (sorry for the spelling

 

it was inappropriate to get personal. For that I apoligise, it was childish of me. Momalle1 makes a good point, I respect his posts b/c he is a good voice of reason. By the way this thread is racking up he views, guess we are entertaining someone. Cheers

 

The funny thing that we as a Nation seem to forget is that NOONE at NO TIME in any stage of history has ended Terrorism. The Roman Empire felt the pressure of terrorism and they dealt with it in terms that are unthinkable for us as Americans today and they still did not defeat it.

There is no way that terrorism will ever end its a simple fact of the haves against the have-nots. America is the richest economy in the world we are the haves and those sorry bastards over there in the middle east are the have-nots. They want what we have although they will tell you they dont they just want "Allah" and thier little book the "Koran".

The only way America will ever win a war against Terrorism over in the middle east is to begin to terminate every last one of those people over there something that as a people and nation we will never contemplate doing.

The nasty thing about this "war" is that there is noone to talk to about peace. Years ago when we as a nation had the big bad old scary USSR as our main enemy we at least had someone that the President could pick up the phone and talk to if *****e started to hit the fan. (Cuban Missle Crisis eg.)

This war gives us an enemy we cannot see, we cannot really infiltrate, nor can we target in a meaningful way. If we catch Osama and his cronies there will only be another one to pop up in his place. It is only a matter of time until we are hit again its just a matter of where and when and how hard.

Our country will now run on fear and paranioa as its main diet we all just need to sit back and get used to that fact. I fought against Iraq 13 years ago in a war that was pretty much a waste of time money and effort for Bush Sr. Now we are there and Jr. is running the show and there is no plan to get those poor young men and women out of that mess and that is a travesty. I support the troops but I certainly dont support this administrations current path concerning Iraq.

 

loudist:

Damn brother, talk about someone that absolutely HATES someone, U DA MAN…

Grab a box of Kleenex and wipe them tears away son and forget everything the liberals in your school system ever taught you because here is the FACTS:

1. Life is NOT fair and it will NEVER be fair so get over it.

2. Second, I am right, I will always be right and more right then you will ever be…

3. Racism has NOTHING to do with someone’s belief system that would be prejudice. Think about it for a minute, Racist is derived from the word RACE, which is to mean someone’s skin color. Prejudice on the other hand is to not like something about a “particular” group of people that could include many different races. I am prejudice towards many that receive MY tax money for welfare since most could work. Now unless I am mistake (scratch that since I am always right) welfare does not consist of ONE race but many races, am I right? Of course I am right…

4. You are upset and getting hysterical because someone “me” won’t back down when you start going off. Call me what you will and wish any harm that you want I will NOT discontinue or change my belief system to make you feel better. You’re the liberal so how come you have no tolerance? Well, because liberals, in general, have absolutely NO tolerance for anyone with an opinion that does NOT agree with them…

5. I do not have a “narcissistic superior” attitude because I do not think I am superior to anyone, including liberals. I do know that I am right and they are not but that don’t mean I am superior, rather it means I have more logic and my thought process works much better and is more consistent then that of a liberal…

6. I have never wished any harm towards anyone. I have had some very heated debates on here with some and they know who they are and they should know that I have stated many times that I have the utmost respect for everyone on this site even those that completely disagree with me. They have their views and I have mine which are right.

7. I don’t need to back up my facts that I post because I have always promoted others to either go out and prove me wrong or to do their own research on the subject. Not your type of research where you sit down and listen to a few sound bites on CNN and take them as truth. I have stated many times ”The truth will set you free if your willing to go out and find it” So rather then whine about me go out and prove me wrong on what ever facts you think I am wrong on. Comparing me to the KKK doesn’t do anything but make you look weak and lazy. Stand up and be a man, show me the “light” and explain how I am wrong…

8. Facts and opinions are two different subjects so before you go out looking for some light make sure your trying to disprove any facts I may have stated because many things I have stated are my ‘opinion” and then I usually explain why I believe my opinion is correct. In any regards good luck because you will never prove my opinion to be wrong, since it is mine and it is always right.

9. I have tolerance for those with logic but very little for those that just HATE something because they don’t completely understand it. I have very little tolerance for a lot, no all, but a lot of liberals whining about this and that only because they hate Bush. They offer no logic, no facts, just myths portrayed as facts and bring the entire country down because they are hysterical about being out of power and being wrong.

Take momalle1 and arrbilly for example. They don’t agree with a lot I have to say but they don’t practice this hate that comes from many on the left. They offer their reasons for why they feel something is not right, they offer their own thoughts rather then a few stupid lines of BS. I don’t hate them or dislike them and have the utmost respect for them and their opinions even though they are not right…

10. What can I say I am right, perhaps I was born this way or it just happen over time, but when your right your right and there is not much you can do about it…

 

So are ya Chinese or Japanese?

 

 

Excellent post my friend…

I know at times I come across as harsh on the liberals. As I have told you before I really don’t think you’re liberal at all, maybe moderate to a bit to the left. Nonetheless I really get tired of this entire Bush hating BS, not you, but liberals in general.

I have stated many times I do not think President Bush is the end all or the best thing since sliced bread. He has done things I do not agree with like that HUGE socialist program he did a year ago with drug prescriptions, anyway different thread for that.

I would love to see Americans debate one another with out this dragging down of America and I really do believe some of the hard left liberals are doing that. It is as if anything for power. I felt the same way about some of the republicans with the Monika and Clinton thing, it was stupid and taken time away from more important things internationally.

I will say that Kerry is about the worst choice the democrats could have asked for. The guy just can’t figure out where he wants to be on any issue. I would think many would agree that any President, be it Bush or if lucky Kerry should not be all over the board when it comes to America’s interest, America’s safety. We know where Bush is, good or bad, we know where he is and the world knows where he is. They know there is not much they can do to change his mind. I am willing to bet terrorist are pretty sure that regardless what they may try to do again in America it will not change his mind on the war on terror.

If we had a President who changed back and forth then terrorist would be more willing to kill more people to get him to change his mind. It is an evil world and like “jvernacchio” mentioned which was an excellent point and I agree with is we will never rid ourselves of terrorist, not by trying to kill all of them.

However, we have to do something because to do nothing is to further erode our creditability and to grow weaker by a small group of people fearing us to make decision we would not otherwise make.

I believe, I know this is a very good subject to debate but it can not be debated with those that base their beliefs on the hate they have for someone else. Again this is not aimed at you, but rather the few. FACT, President Bush has made some mistakes with this war but that is reality and that is life so time to move on, FACT any one who had been President would have made mistakes as well, maybe worse, maybe not, but would have made mistakes.

So the debate should center around, just what should we do? I think it is irrelevant to debate the ‘would of, could of, should of” because no one with any honestly can say what they “would of, could of or should of” done after 9/11 and I really do not think anyone being completely honest could say they would have NEVER went to Iraq, not with the evidence we had with Clinton or Bush.

So we are where we are a good debate should pick up from this point and move forward…

What say you?

 

I think you know what I think, but, to make sure... I think without 9/11 and Iraq, President Bush would have gone down as fairly inconsequential (holy crap, my spell checker says that's correct!). That said, I know 9/11 was not a "crime" per se, but had President Bush concentrated efforts on nailing the person(s) responsible for 9/11 and THEN said, "hey guys, we nailed that scum, and we need to go after some other people that are going to do the same thing", I probably still wouldn't have found a need to go into Iraq, but it would have made more sense. I don't know how you'll convince me that 9/11 was not used as a justification to invade Iraq, and when so many members of the presidents cabinet have had designs on Iraq for years (without a mention of terrorism as a reason), you have to stop and think. That's not to say I am voting for anyone but Bush, but I can't say voting for not Bush doesn't factor in. Kerry IS liberal and does want to tax too much. I don't think he will "have is way" if he is elected, too much opposition. I do see a lot of lies about Kerry (from many on the right, not all), like the swiftboat vets, things about Heinz, etc, etc, THAT is a big problem. If the guy is so bad, why make up lies? Kerry has done a few very good things in his life, and don't under-estimate him, he's no dummy. I think the debates will be a deciding point for the undecided (most of us have already made up our minds, unless something huge comes up), President Bush will have his passion and personality, and Kerry will have his intelligence and speaking ability, should be interesting!

By the way, Clintons Book, The Swiftboat Vets book and Kitty's book are selling like crazy, seems America like lies!

 

I disagree. Give people some worth living for and see how many of them follow these nutjob wackos into terrorism.

People who are productive members of society, have a job, a family, decisions to make, freedom, etc. are less likely to turn to desperate measures, which is what terrorsim involves.

Killing them all will just breed more hate and more terrorists. Removing things (turning have-nots into have's) will hate elimate the reason for the hate.


Technically he used the word bigotry, which includes politics. The problem is that it is still hating a person based on their belief, not hating the belief itself.