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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 09:31 PM
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if it were upto bush's supporters, anyone that did vote against him would end up on their knees. i'd probably be sent to iraq with a gun that had no bulletts.


If you do vote against Bush, and your guy wins, it's spit-***** for you my friend.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 09:57 PM
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He looks like he could chew a good spitball
 
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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Has anyone else seen this bumper sticker, relating to the November Election...................................?

WHO WOULD OSAMA VOTE FOR?

Think about it.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 02:36 AM
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I do not know where to start in this quagmire of self-serving BS & Rhetoric.

We can sit here and throw spit-***** at each other about which President did what- bottom line is this; in my opinion they both acted in what they considered the best interest of the United States at a given point in time.

Clinton didn't down-size the military for the 20th frickin' time, that decision was made by Bush/Quayle/Cheney in June 1991. I remember it like it was yesterday; because I saw a number of "Career" soldiers get *****-canned because a new policy went in place. When that didn't reduce the military enough, a call for voluntary separations went out in Nov 1991. When that didn't reduce the ranks enough, yet another voluntary RIF (June 1992) was called for, this time- they paid each volunteer thousands to leave. Some people I knew got $10,000, $15,000, $20,000 - $30,000 (Nice having you) bonuses to leave; then started retirement, depending on yeas of service. They could take it in a lump, or via monthly disbursements. The goal was to reduce the Army from 780,000 to 595,000 and the same for the Navy & Air Force who had nearly the same size force as the Army- to be trimmed back to 500,000 or so each and the Marines were to be cut from 195,000 to 180,000.

This happened under Bush 1. It took a catastrophic event (9/11) for the fact that our military is under-strength to come to light. There was nothing to put a spot light on it because for all intents & purposes, we were conflict free (Major conflict) from 1991 - 2002. Sure, we can tech-whip anybody's butt, but, there comes a time when you simply need grunts on the ground to win.
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So Bill had a few BJ's in the white house... I don't care. I'd have let Monica tighten me up too if I didn't think the wife would find out. I mean come on guys, if a hottie came on to you, and in a moment of weakness, you hit it; would you confess right away? Would you confess at all? Damn the job, who would risk losing their family over a finger-pop, a cigar and a BJ if a lie could get you out of it? Besides, I think that was a set-up. I mean, who keeps a semen-stained dress in their closet? WTF? Was that a souvenir? Do you remember the "phone call" between Monica & Linda Tripp? Did that sound scripted or what? Who has an affair with THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and talks on the phone to a friend about it? Come on now...

Yes, Clinton lied about a marital affair, but- who really got hurt in this? He did, his wife did and his daughter did. If you lost sleep over it, then shame on you; you need to get a life.. what I thought was funny was all the "crusaders" calling for Bill to step down, then Larry Flynt offered $1,000,000 to any woman that could prove she'd had an affair with a member of Congress or the Senate. Next thing you know, Newt Gingrich steps down (reasons I don't recall) then Bob Livingston "admitted" an affair~ out of the blue~ and stepped down as if he were "setting an example.

Folks, Clinton weren’t the first President to tap-some-@$$ in the oval office, and- he won't be the last- if I'm elected! He’s just the first one to get caught & publicized.
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Lastly, Clinton was my favorite President. I liked him because he took shots from the public & press for 8 years, and said in so many words- "You guys can kiss my big ol' white ___! I'm not leaving. Clinton was smart, level-headed, and articulate and cool; just what you need in a leader.

I don't really have an opinion about G.H. Bush. I think he just held the reigns from Reagan. G.W. Bush, is OK. I agree with some of what he did, and why he did what he did; I also think he had a personal vendetta against Saddam for trying to assassinate GHB, and understandably so. But, if your policy is to rid the world of terror, then you start by taking out the biggest threat to world peace. North Korea, and you do it before they can hurt you. If we're going to do what we said- rid the world of terror, then we've got to start with Korea. That little sliver of land could be the catalyst for WW III.
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Aside from Clinton, I loved Reagan too. Reagan had his follies too. Has anyone forotten Iran/Contra? And the scape-goating of Ollie North. I mean, come on- Colonels have pull, but if you've been in the service, then you known darn-well that Ollie wasn't making any decisions that were going to impact the nation. They have Full-bird Colonels in Corp HQ buildings making coffee for the Generals; so you know Ollie was a patsy; then Ron, much as I respect him, could not "recollect" a damn thing. "I have no recollection of that, Senator." Sure, we can blame Alzheimer's, maybe that was what happened- but the timing was impeccable.

Things go on in this country that we will never-ever know. it wasn't until 9/11 happened that it came to light that Al Queda planned to destroy 5 jumbo jets enroute to the Us from Asia over the Pacific Ocean in October 1995. that hit home for me because my family and I were traveling from that area during that time. We got home safe & sound because someone did their job, and kept it invisible to us. Had 9/11 never happened, that would have never some to light. Why? Because we don't have a need to know; and as long as men & women in the CIA, FBI, NSA, NSC, DIA, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard and Secret Service do their best to protect us; what more can we ask for?


Mr Reagan, I thank you for what you did with our Military. thanks for ending the Cold War.

Mr. Bush, I thank you for not letting politics get us killed in Desert Storm.

Mr. Clinton, thanks for balancing the budget, thanks for making the country thrive, and for a robust job market in the mid-late 90's & 2000.

Mr. Bush, thanks for taking out Saddam. Thanks for trying to get Osama. Thanks for showing strength when we most needed it, after getting knocked on our collective ***** in 2001.

What do we do next?
 

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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by PolishSVT
Has anyone else seen this bumper sticker, relating to the November Election...................................?

WHO WOULD OSAMA VOTE FOR?

Think about it.
Very true and the facts are terrorist would love to see another timid little man in office like their boy Clinton, so you know damn well they are hoping Kerry wins, that's who OSAMA will be voting for in his child killing heart...

Go Kerry, you got some bad asses backing you...
 
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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You know I have heard Bill O'Reilly several times give some quick election advice for November. He says:
"Think of who Osama Bin Laden would want to win and then vote for the other guy!"

Osama Bin Laden = 9/11 WTC 3,000 dead etc...

So I'm thinking, Osama is a Saudi, all Saudis on the planes, best intelligence says Osama is in Afganastan or Pakistan and

...Bush sends 150,000 troops to Iraq.

I think Osama wants Bush around for four more years.
Especially since the latest saber rattling is towards Iran and Syria.

(Will someone please give Bush a map.)
 
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Raoul
You know I have heard Bill O'Reilly several times give some quick election advice for November. He says:
"Think of who Osama Bin Laden would want to win and then vote for the other guy!"

Osama Bin Laden = 9/11 WTC 3,000 dead etc...

So I'm thinking, Osama is a Saudi, all Saudis on the planes, best intelligence says Osama is in Afganastan or Pakistan and

...Bush sends 150,000 troops to Iraq.

I think Osama wants Bush around for four more years.
Especially since the latest saber rattling is towards Iran and Syria.

(Will someone please give Bush a map.)

Baloney! (I know it's spelled bologna.)


I think Osama is missing his extra cash flow from the U.N. Oil for Food program too much to be a Bush supporter.


http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli..._for_osama.htm


Put "Osama Oil for Food" into you web browser, and there is much more from many different sources. I'd say that Osama would much prefer Kerry to Bush. I think he's still trying to get into Florida to get another recount on the 2000 election. I think he and Gore would have gotten along famously.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 08:54 PM
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Actually Kerry has done more to hurt the flow of cash to terrorists, including Osama, than anyone. Most of what the Bush administration uses now came from Kerry.

Story Here

I realize this is a left-leaning website, but the story is true, you can check it out. I don't think Osama cares one way or another, Bush has already said he doesn't care about Osama.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 09:05 PM
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Looks like we finally have the story out on the sore loser (liar) that created the fake documents Dan Rather waved around on 60 Minutes II. You know, the ones that were supposed to have shown Bush as disobeying orders and so on. By the way, while I'm on the subject. If John Kerry claims everyone in Vietnam committed atrocities...that would include him right? He said he took part in free fire zones, etc. So isn't that really more of a serious matter than someone that may have or probably could have gotten a little favoritism to get in the Guard? Maybe Kerry should turn himself in for all those war crimes he commited He said it, not me. And if it didn't happen, he needs to appologize to the Vietnam vets for saying it did, when he told congress these things in 1971 or 72 (whenever that was when he said that during a hearing).

Sample of a real document followed by the fake doc...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...rd_091404.html

It's that Bill Burkett guy from TX. Apparently he contacted Kerry's campaign and offered up the fake documents before Danny boy flashed them on TV...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=694&ncid=716
 
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Old Sep 18, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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Kerry never said everyone did it, ever. He's also said he was unaware that what was happening was illegal at the time, also placed ALL of the blame on "upper management", not soldiers. During the senate testimony he never claimed to be part of anything, only read collected testimonies. It was later when questioned that he said he had taken part in some the activities.

Take from his anti-war actions what you will, but don't lie.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by momalle1
Kerry never said everyone did it, ever. He's also said he was unaware that what was happening was illegal at the time, also placed ALL of the blame on "upper management", not soldiers. During the senate testimony he never claimed to be part of anything, only read collected testimonies. It was later when questioned that he said he had taken part in some the activities.

Take from his anti-war actions what you will, but don't lie.
Every single individual in the military is responsible for their own actions. The military is not like the world liberals live in where they can claim stupidity or ignorance for their actions.

If someone, anyone in the military commits a war crime it don’t matter if they knew about it or not they are guilty and charged for the crime. Officers in the military, like Kerry at the time, did if FACT know what a war crime was and what wasn’t. If Kerry claims he did not know for sure at the time then he has LIED, or just shows his lack of understanding simple basic commands taught and given to EVERY officer in the military…

Kerry is a war criminal and has admitted that fact. He should be arrested immediately and taken into custody until tried for his crimes. His worst crime is the fact he is a traitor to his country and fellow soldiers that he stabbed in the back for his own political gain. Kerry is a weasel, a timid frigid little man who has no courage, no backbone and no moral values to ever do what is right and just for our country since his only concern is his well being above all others…

Kerry is a very selfish man, like the vast majority of liberals are…
 
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Old Sep 19, 2004 | 07:38 AM
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Yeah, and Bush has admitted to cocaine usage in his younger days, I suppose you think he should turn himself in?
 
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Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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Yeah, and Bush has admitted to cocaine usage in his younger days, I suppose you think he should turn himself in?
No need to, he admitted he made mistakes in his youth. Neither Clinton nor Kerry can admit to anything they just try to spine it. Remember Clinton ”I didn’t inhale” that was really funny…


Then you have Kerry, that in case you didn’t know, served in Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam…. I didn't know he had served in Vietnam...


Anyway President Bush has never asked anybody to judge him from his actions over 30 years ago where Kerry has asked and begged everyone to judge him on his actions over 30 years ago.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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From this point forward, no one is allowed to say "Kerry said"

He is a lair. For everthing "Kerry said", Kerry also said the opposite 2 months later. Be it quotes or votes, he sits on both sides of the fence.

So the truth is, no one except John Kerry knows what John Kerry stands for. Hell, I don't even think Edwards knows what Kerry stands for.


I would rather support Cheney's baboon than a liar like Kerry.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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Here is some advice that may make this so much easier for people watching Kerry on TV.

Cut a big frame out of cardboard and put it around the TV like a frame, so you can actually view the TV.

The write on the top or bottom of it:

”Kerry lies and flip-flops”
"He didn't say that a day ago"
"A week ago he agreed with that now he doesn't"
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it"
“If I was faced with the very same circumstances I would have gone to war”
“I would NEVER have gone to war”
“I might have gone to war and did it different”
“I am not sure if I would have gone to war or not”
“I am not a flip-flopper, well maybe sometimes I change my mind, no usually I don’t change my mind unless I feel different on an issue”


Just some ideas.

This way you can put anything Kerry states into perspective while viewing TV…
 

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